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Permalink Reply by Stephen Walski on August 12, 2011 at 2:16pm

All you have to do is be sober and listen to someone who is intoxicated to know im right.

 

Im all for your rights to be a high. But dont think that it makes what your saying or thinking mystical or intelligent. its the ramblings of a disconnected from reality brain.

 

And language is about understanding not grammar.. Not writing a book here its a comments forum.

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Permalink Reply by Artor on August 13, 2011 at 10:34pm

Certainly, while under the effects of a hallucinogen, a person might be pretty far out and disconnected from consensual reality. It is after they come down and begin analyzing their strange experience that some pretty profound insights can be articulated and examined.

I tried some acid while in college. I certainly would not have tried taking a test while tripping or anything like that, but I feel that it certainly improved my functional intelligence. I learned from my experiences that the world is alot more subjective than we often think, and that the brain and it's usual pathways of thinking are alot more malleable. This has helped me imeasurably in the years since, and though years go by between my acid interludes, I wouldn't want to take back a single trip.

Except that one time...

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Walski on August 13, 2011 at 10:47pm

What your saying has no more merit then dream analysis. A person tends to find what they are looking for in examination of events they experience.

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Permalink Reply by Artor on August 14, 2011 at 12:41am

I wouldn't know. I rarely try to analyze my dreams. But I know that insights can be found there as well; Elias Howe was inspired by a dream and invented the first sewing machine. But confirmation bias is a danger in any intellectual activity. It's a dangerous stumbling block even for stone-cold sober scientists, which is why I stress the importance of being sober when you evaluate your experiences.

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Permalink Reply by Charlie Sellers on September 2, 2011 at 8:19pm

Dont feed into morons like him. 

I dont do drugs for a variety of reasons. I do not think anything natural is bad. The minute you start touching meth, crack, heroin, etc. is BAD juju. Ive smoked marijuana a few times just for the sake of it, and it was a pleasant, relaxing experience, but I HATE smoke. Now that Im going into the Marines, I cant do anything silly like that, so I keep myself straight. Never hit any drugs like acid, shrooms, or LSD.

I think you can find enlightenment in its own respects while sober. Just read, and pay special attention to average things. What you find may shock you. :) 

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on August 12, 2011 at 11:31am

If you have ever experienced a migraine you would be of a very different opinion. Migraines are, unfortunately, not deadly.

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Permalink Reply by matt.clerke on August 11, 2011 at 9:35pm

What I experienced was a breakdown of the worldview that I had inherited from the social environment that I was raised in.

This. Same reason people have bad trips. This is why you don't hear about it more often, different people have different experiences.

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Permalink Reply by Captain Husky on August 11, 2011 at 11:16pm

    There was a time that I imbibed hallucinogenic drugs on a ridiculously regular basis. What I mean to say is: I did a lot of fucking drugs. Some friends and I for a while had this thing that would happen when we dropped acid or ate mushrooms or whatever else we did at the time. We called it "The Conversation". Basically it was another way of saying collective consciousness. We thought we could all speak without talking, hear one another's thoughts and feel each other's feelings. This was the closest I've been to any sort of spirituality after leaving Catholicism. And I was a moron. I heard Richard Dawkins say in some lecture video, "The human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination." Under no other circumstance is this more true than under the effects of mind altering substances. What you might perceive as a uniquely religious or spiritual experience can most likely be chocked up to just that. The mind creates amazing fantasies for us while we are asleep, and our imagination is nearly limitless while we are awake. The mind wants to find patterns in the world and drugs can enhance this. If you're not careful, you will begin to associate using, with your search for enlightenment, or a deity, or these patterns that seem to appear everywhere. You can become dependent on the drug, and begin to think you're on the verge of some breakthrough. You'll take more and more and more, looking for something that will never come, and doesn't even exist outside of the confines of the mind. If you feel the need to augment your spirituality with something, try meditation. Psychotropic drugs are a crap shoot at best, you usually don't know where they're coming from or what might have ended up in it. Be careful.

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Permalink Reply by matt.clerke on August 12, 2011 at 12:30am

Psychotropic drugs are a crap shoot at best, you usually don't know where they're coming from or what might have ended up in it.

When they are being sold on the street, this is true. If they were legal and regulated then their content could be known. Much safer imo.

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Permalink Reply by Artor on August 12, 2011 at 12:06am

I think the reason you don't hear much about it is that there has been a moratorium on research into psychedelics for several decades. If you research on Erowid, you'll find alot of this information, but it doesn't get into the public consciousness much. Fortunately, that seems to be changing. I think there's an officially sanctioned study going on now regarding the effects of psilocybin on a large group of test subjects under different controlled circumstances. It will be interesting to see what they establish.

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Permalink Reply by Zach Hooper on August 12, 2011 at 1:32am

Psilocybin comes from earth and so do we. I don't think disillusion us more than the government... And I don't believe in what I have found, but it must be something considering most people find the same thing. And it makes more sense than any mass religion, and explains [my] life better than atheism. But, they are drugs. But, they're are very simple (dmt and psilocybin) very simple chemical compounds, And occur not scarcely through life.
At least for me

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Permalink Reply by Zach Hooper on August 12, 2011 at 1:33am

I don't think mushrooms disillusion* 

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