The earth is like a woman in travial about to give birth.
The time is coming and soon is when the martyrs, dead in Christ, will rise.
The whore riding the scarlet Beast will be judged for it's great apostasy and slaughter of the Holy and elect people, the living oracles of God in both Western Roman Empire and it's derivatives and Byzantium.
For Great is the God that judges her.
Babylon the Mysterious, Mother of Harlots, the whole earth has drunken from the fierceness of her fornications.
NOON Pacific Update: February 28, 2010 -
8.8 Magnitude Quake in Chile.
500 Times More Powerful Than Haiti Quake, Shook 2 Minutes, Says USGS.
At least 708 confirmed dead. Tsunami warnings throughout Pacific.
Mild 3-foot-higher tsunami waves reached Hawaii.
“Never in my life have I experienced a quake like this,
it's like the end of the world.” - Temuco, Chile resident south of Concepcion
Santiago, Chile, cars lie overturned after the highway
they were traveling on was destroyed during 8.8 earthquake that hit 200 miles
south near Concepcion, Chile's 2nd largest city, on February 27, 2010,
at 3:34 local time (1:34 AM Eastern). Image © 2010 by Reuters/Marco Fredes.
The U.S. Geological Survey reports the 8.8 Richter magnitude earthquake struck 70 miles northeast of Concepcion, Chile (red marker) toward Santiago at a depth of 22 miles at 3:34 a.m. local time (1:34 AM Eastern). The capital Santiago, about 200 miles north of the epicenter, was also badly hit. The international airport was closed after the quake destroyed passenger walkways and shook glass out of doors and windows. TV Chile reported that a 15-story building collapsed in the hardest-hit city of Concepcion, where buildings caught fire, major highway bridges collapsed and cracks opened up in the streets. Cars turned upside down lay scattered across one damaged bridge.
The largest earthquake ever recorded struck the same area of Chile on May 22, 1960. That magnitude-9.5 quake killed 1,655 people and left 2 million homeless. The tsunami that it caused killed people in Hawaii, Japan and the Philippines and caused damage to the west coast of the United States. This February 27, 2010, quake matched a 1906 temblor off the Ecuadorean coast that is the seventh-strongest recorded in the modern world.
Without much fanfare and line upon line expounding, it may be clear to a casual observer.
History repeats it's self. At the first advent forces that be united the known world into virtually one entity to fight against his advent and by holding the nation Israel as a vassal state. Even that is a reverberation of the Kingdom of Egypt holding Israel in total captivity to to kill the first born in hopes of slaying the Deliverer. And finally the last reverberation occurs in the future, with most of the world united under one governing authority to fight and kill all believers before the second advent of the Savior of Mankind. And once again, Israel which until recently did not exist, will once again be a vassal state of the world governing body.
Actually, statistically the amount of earthquakes hasn't really risen at all. What has increased is the population around earthquake centers. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?categoryID=6&faqID=110
"Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant throughout this century and, according to our records, have actually seemed to decrease in recent years."
"In the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications. In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more that 4,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by telex, computer and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years, and we are able to locate earthquakes more rapidly."
This Site covers the worst earthquakes of all time:
1) As actual SCIENCE shows, the number of earthquakes are not increasing. Our understanding of them and ability to track them (and of course all the sensationalist media coverage) has only put them at the forefront of our thinking.
MGWG just provided some great links. Please educate yourself and respond appropriately.
2)Further, if you want to impress me with the "end of all creation" nonsense, you are going to have to do at LEAST better than my favorite local hobo. At least his crazy-ass apocalypse rants are amusing.
If you want to debate actual science and actual history, you've probably come to the wrong place. Many of us here are HIGHLY educated in such matters, which is why we are atheist in the first place.
Let's talk about prophecy, shall we?
Jesus did not fulfill even the basic prerequisites for being the Jew's Messiah. Here is a list:
Prophecies to Identify the Messiah, Which Jesus Does Not Fulfill:
1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible.
2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.
3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.
Prophecies Christians Use to Verify Jesus as the Messiah, Yet Clearly Fail:
4) The gospels (especially Matthew 21:4 and John 12:14-15) claim that Jesus fulfills the prophecy of Zechariah 9:9. But the next few verses (Zechariah 9:10-13) show that the person referred to in this verse is a military king that would rule "from sea to sea". Since Jesus had neither an army nor a kingdom, he could not have fulfilled this prophecy.
5) Matthew (Matthew 2:17-18) quotes Jeremiah (Jeremiah 31:15), claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod’s alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this passage refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (Jeremiah 31:16-17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod’s massacre.
6) John 19:33 says that during Jesus’ crucifixion, the soldiers didn’t break his legs because he was already dead. Verse John 19:36 claims that this fulfilled a prophecy: "Not a bone of him shall be broken." But there is no such prophecy. It is sometimes said that the prophecy appears in Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12 & Psalm 34:20. This is not correct. Exodus 12:46 & Numbers 9:12 are not prophecies, they are commandments. The Israelites are told not to break the bones of the Passover lamb, and this is all it is about. And Psalm 34:20 seems to refer to righteous people in general (see verse Psalm 34:19, where a plural is used), not to make a prophecy about a specific person.
7) "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt." Hosea 11:1. Matthew (Matthew 2:15) claims that the flight of Jesus’ family to Egypt is a fulfillment of this verse. But Hosea 11:1 is not a prophecy at all. It is a reference to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt and has nothing to do with Jesus. Matthew tries to hide this fact by quoting only the last part of the verse ("Out of Egypt I have called my son").
8) "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2 The gospel of Matthew (Matthew 2:5-6) claims that Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem fulfils this prophecy. But this is unlikely for two reasons.
A) "Bethlehem Ephratah" in Micah 5:2 refers not to a town, but to a clan: the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb’s second wife, Ephrathah (1 Chronicles 2:18, 2:50-52 & 4:4).
B) The prophecy (if that is what it is) does not refer to the Messiah, but rather to a military leader, as can be seen from Micah 5:6. This leader is supposed to defeat the Assyrians, which, of course, Jesus never did. It should also be noted that Matthew altered the text of Micah 5:2 by saying: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah" rather than "Bethlehem Ephratah" as is said in Micah 5:2. He did this, intentionally no doubt, to make this verse appear to refer to the town of Bethlehem rather than the family clan.
Here are a ton of other frauds that said the end of the world was near. Obviously they were all wrong.
History is on our side. What makes your argument any different from theirs? What is the new evidence you are presenting? What makes your claims any more informed than those guys?
|About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen. More details.
|About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century. More details.
|About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.
|2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.
|365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn't.
|375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.
|500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.
|968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.
|992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting. There does not appear to be independent verification of this remarkable event.
|1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics. Agitation settled down quickly, as it later did in the year 2000.
|1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.
|1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the nearness of the end.
|1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.
|1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end was expected in 1306 CE.
|1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.
|1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.
|1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.
|1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.
|1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.
|1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.
|1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen a millennium and a half after the nominal date of his execution, in 1533. The New Jerusalem was expected to be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.
|1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death between 1669 and 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.
|1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.
|1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.
|1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.
|1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.
|1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.
|1832?: Joseph Smith (1805-1844) was the founder of the Church of Christ, which became the Restorationist movement after many schisms. It now includes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- a.k.a. the Mormons, and about a hundred other denominations and sects. He heard a voice while praying. He wrote, in Doctrines and Covenants section 130:|
14: "I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:"The year in which this event occurred is not recorded. However, one commentator suggested 1832 or earlier. 16 Smith is later recorded as having said:
15: "Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter."
16: "I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face."
17: "I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time." 14
"I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written--the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old." 17
Smith would have reached the age of 85 during 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century, having been assassinated by a mob. Note that his prophecy is ambiguous. It can be interpreted that:
Jesus would return during 1890 (which did not materialize) or that 1890 would pass without Jesus' return (which did come to pass).
Some anti-Mormon sources quote only verses 14 and 15, and draw the former conclusion -- that Smith's prophecy failed.
Sources: http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm (ironically)
http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm (much more appropriately.)
Please my reply to "Mr. Good Without God".
Remember the prediction of "many false (prophets), actually the Greek word is teachers.
All that you have listed, confirms that.
The historical record verifies my understanding of prophecy. In college I wrote of the impending United Europe. Now I speak of the assimilation of Turkey into to EU which is currently 39 nations strong. Distantly there is also the assimilation of Russia.
Moreover, Israel will become a vassal of this strong one world order and will reconstruct the Jewish Temple under the auspices of this Revised Roman Empire. But as the prophecies of Daniel speak, A rock was cut without hands and smote the image of the beast upon it's feet (which was made of iron and mirky clay, since the union of ten Royal bloodlines of Europe can't fully mix). The image shattered as was scattered to the four winds. The rock became a great mountain and filled the whole earth (The kingdom of God). Know and understand that God requires that which has past. The world is shaping into the similitude of the way it was at his first advent. This was the Roman Empire and Israel was it's vassal under the rule of Herodian leaders.
*27 EU countries. Turkey is a long way off and Russia is plain imagination. Anyone with even cursory understanding of political science knows this as well as the reasons.
The increasing federalism of the EU is not exactly something new, it was theorized about it in the fifties since it is the general outcome of any political integration. However, this wasn't exactly correct as was the EU Court which actually did the largest practical job of integration through its landmark cases. The current most popular theory of the future of the EU is a two tiered system where core countries, such as Germany and France, increase their integration, while the outer countries, such as UK and Sweden, hold back, akin to the current situation with the EFTA countries and EU.
If your college professor allowed you to submit such obvious analysis, something which is already old news, know and understood, he is incompetent. If he did not arrest you on the point about Russia he doesn't even know his field.
Stop talking about things you have absolutely no clue about. Research before you make a claim because you will be required to provide evidence and reasoning. If you don't do this, you are either a troll or an idiot.
You are quite the assuming one Arcus. In 1974 the EU was not a done deal as you imply. And to call a person and idiot for not realizing it was a done deal is really 20/20 hindsight arrogance. Moreover you are oblivious to the ten bloodlines in Europe, including Russia, that the prophecies speak of. The bloodlines that have dominated in both the Latin Rite and Orthodox Rite post Christian Roman Empire. You see the Hapsburgs and Bourbons, etc. in both the Latin Rite Kingdoms and Orthodox Kingdoms,i.e, Byzantium and its prime wannabe, Russia, which most recently was ruled by the Romanovs.
If you were properly schooled in the prophecies you would see the significance of the beast that looked like a lamb with two horns but spoke as a dragon.
This is indeed Christian Roman Empire with it two capitols, Rome and Constantinople. And though its temporal power diminished over the centuries and it spiritual power remained intact through the Rites.
Know and understand that the temporal power is returning.
"Who is like the Beast, and who can make war with it?"
By 1974 most of the structures of the EU had been created and the EU court had already judged that EU law bound the individuals in nations (van Gend en Loos, 1963) and that the member countries signed away national control to the EU over EU covered subjects upon entering the Union (Costa v ENEL, 1964).
In 1974 the EU was pretty much a 'done deal', as you eloquently put it. Scholars had already noted that the EU only moved in one direction, increased supranationalism. Of course the EU was less supranational in 1974, but your argument is like saying "20 years ago I was 20 years younger".
The rest of your rambling consists of a few facts drawn into heavy speculation and ending up in a non-conclusion.
Show your reference for the EU being a Done Deal, Arcus. You are distorting the facts and misrepresenting the true, as usual.
In 1974 there were relatively few nations even considering this Union, compare to the 27 countries that are now apart up it.
My dear friend, the fall of communism was not a given as is implied in your no based argument. I guess my professor is even more of an idiot for not calling that one in 1974 also.
once again you debating method is superficial and unfounded.