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Permalink Reply by Brad White on July 27, 2010 at 12:02am

I think Jesus knew the human condition all too well. Speaking globally...isn't our natural instinct to seek self-gratification? Go after what's best for us? How many relationships are you aware of where the failure was due to none of us having the capacity to love selflessly for any consistent period of time...or when times were tough, etc..

When Jesus says "A new command I give you...love one another". He wasn't forcing us to love one another. Wasn't he just saying essentially "why can't you just get along? stop bickering, stop arguing. Just love each other!" I believe he was saying it's not enough to just be polite to each other. We should genuinely love each other.

It's possible he just had the right philosophy here. What's the easiest way to be at peace with someone who hates you? Throw down your weapon, say look...I don't hate you, I don't want to fight. Let's just love each other....let's be friends.

How do you stop revenge killing? You be the first to NOT take revenge when someone kills your family member.

His command is an ideal that we strive for as best we can. (regardless of the source).

Permalink Reply by Reggie on July 21, 2010 at 5:48am

Ha! This is very true!

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Permalink Reply by Andres Molestina on July 18, 2010 at 11:44am

Beware of the Christian in sheeps clothing. With religion there is always an ulterior motive. His is to get us to go to his website and in front of a christian audience ask that question. Follow the tiny url and talk to him under his roof and in front of his peers and you'll get to the bottom of his agenda. He's looking for us to trip up and him to come as "the all understanding and compassionate because I'm christian saviour" who is trying to show us the way. Look at the apparently harmless words he uses "We know you think we're nuts, crazy, unintelligent, delirious, hallucinating... or all of the above. I used to be an atheist (13 years)... so trust me when I say I know what you think" witht that he has already insulted all religions in OUR behalf, he is putting negative words in our mouths and we are letting him, then he goes on to say "All I ask is that you keep the profanity down to a minimum. I can handle it" HE IS LOOKING for someone to take his bait!!! He is not a nice christian trying to get us together, he is a horrible person that is putting negative words in our mouths to then try to tell the rest of us that we harbour negative feelings and animosity (that is what he said to me on HIS website). Carefull children!

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on July 18, 2010 at 12:30pm

From that boob Mabus?

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Permalink Reply by Dave G on July 19, 2010 at 9:36am

Besides, Mortimer Mouse would be the obvious suspect if Mickey were killed.

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Permalink Reply by Doug Reardon on July 17, 2010 at 1:36pm

Cat Stevens and I had almost exactly the same life threatening experience. He promised god that if he survived he would devote his life to serving him and became a Moslem. It never even occurred to me to call on a supernatural being to intervene and save my ass, I just kept telling myself to keep on swimming.

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Permalink Reply by Matt on July 17, 2010 at 7:11pm

I agree entirely. Religion might have started off as a good idea at first, however... as the saying goes, "All good things must come to an end..."... it's really such a shame that people take their "beliefs" so seriously and literally. I think that if Mohammad, Jesus, Confucius, or any other ancient religious leader were alive today, they would be appalled at the current state of stupidity that world religions are not able wrench themselves free of. The lessons contained within the Koran, the Vedas, the Bible, or any other religious book are basically antiquated "Chicken Soup for the Soul" books that, as an added benefit, instruct people to "devote themselves to (insert deity)". Social control.

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Permalink Reply by Andres Molestina on July 18, 2010 at 2:10am

Soooo.....are you looking for a couple of nice little FU quotes to show other christians and say...LOOK AT THE HATE THIS GODLESS PEOPLE HARBOUR...or something along those lines. Hmmmmm, suspicious, anyway, I don't think anything other that you are all wrong in that aspect of your lives, and besides the fact that you believe on something completely made up (which by the way I totally respect your belief) I personaly love you all as fellow people on this amazing biosphere called Earth, I hope you enjoy its beauty and enjoy it as much as I do. Evolution is so amazing and breath taking to behold, isn't it???

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Permalink Reply by Despaxas on July 18, 2010 at 6:06pm

hello i was wondering in the internet and link by link found this thread , and then decided to add my thoughts ( was not registered on this site before.

For information i am french and atheist , former catholic . At the age of 8 i was in private school and had to have catechism every week and at this age i saw that is was dumb everithing about it 900 year old people talking snakes, wall breakers horns , and on top of it free will with horrible punishment if we do wrong ( call it free will , i call it fascism) so i piss off the people who teach that and get expelled of catechism (going to other scholl later

For a fact in france except for some hardcore catholics muslims and jews most people dont care about religion at all even non being atheists for a simple fact that almost everyone see in it good philosophy and tradition but give no credits to the fairy tale and fantasy around it.

i grew up going to church 1 or 2 times a year (christmas and sometimes easter) until 12 and never from this time.

faith creeps me , people can actualy believe what is obviously wrong at a point that nothing can change their minds sometimes.

Many times i talked with christians and muslims about their religion and i tried to see if it was not me being wrong but the universal god did it answer is not convincing for me.

i recently talked with a muslim but same arguments are godd for catholics or christians.
He was a creationist so i told him how can some buildinds on earth be older than the universe ?
He said we are wrong on their ages
How do you know it?
Because creation of the world is writen in the quran
How do you know it is true so ?
Because the quran is allah 's word
And how do you know that ?
Because it is written in the quran

at this point i argued than every single monotheist religion said that their god was the only one and that every texts and writtings of the others religions were said by their believers to be their god's word

but for him this is wrong because it is said in the quran that allah is the only god ( same for god in the bible and yawhe in the torah) and this man is in second year studying in university.

So believers have faith and there is a fun fact that some open minded religious people try to prove the existence of god. But faith is believing in an unproved fact so if we prove god exist religion and faith is destroyed and if someone proves the opposite the same happens , like i love to say in theses cases "face i win , tail you loose"

it is clear that the bible is part fairy tale part rewrittings of somes local legends (egyptians horus=jesus , sumerians , and babylonians) part wish full thinking and justification for massacre rapes and conquers for the old testament. for the new all was writted 100 to 200 year after the presumed jesus and completely made up at Nicea council keeping and cutting form the writings of 400 christians sect to forge an oppression weapon for the roman empire.

i hope my english is good and what i wrote make sense to you ( from a grammatical and logical point of view)

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Permalink Reply by Mario Rodgers on July 18, 2010 at 7:50pm

Monotheism makes people insidiously short-sighted, and they don't even see their circular reasoning concerning their precious book in question. Quite frankly, I think it's safe to say most of them are just idiots. I don't care what kind of education or IQ or degree a religious person has, anybody who plays the circular reasoning game with the Bible or Quran and believes these fairy tales is an idiot.

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Permalink Reply by Jānis Ķimsis on July 19, 2010 at 5:47am

Welcome to the party! Your post is quite eloquent and enjoyable.

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Permalink Reply by Mario Rodgers on July 18, 2010 at 7:57pm

I want us to coexist.

Coexistence is fine, but your God still thinks I'm going to hell, and you follow that monster implicitly.

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