Note: The text below is a letter a Warren spokesman released yesterday. Read it before you read the rest of this.

What unnamed "mental illness" do you suppose Mathew Warren, the youngest of three brothers, finally shot himself over, rather than live with the pain of?

That Warren lists "mental illness" separately and distinctly from "dark holes of depression" and "suicidal thoughts" is chilling. What mental illness makes people that depressed as a result of having it? That Warren uses the words 'mental illness' and avoids the specific, such as something like 'schizophrenia'-- whereby an almost irresistible inner voice gives suicidal commands-- is haunting.

Imagine a scenario where Mathew Warren was gay. (The more older brothers a man has, statistically the greater the chances are that he will be gay.) His anti-gay bigot Dad and Mom find out and, horrified, brainwash him into thinking he is "mentally ill". After years of trying, nothing works to "cure" his gayness. Mathew Warren falls into a deep depression, which can never be resolved; he is gay, brainwashed to think his gay identity is a disease (or worse, a demon), and trapped in the shadow of his famous, anti-gay father. So he ends his life.

This is unsupported speculation, but based on the comments I'm seeing on articles about Mathew Warren's death all over the Web, it's one of the prevailing impressions. If that scenario does turn out to contain any truth at all, then I truly pity Mathew Warren, and I abhor Rick Warren's murderous religion more than ever.

Subject: Needing your prayers

To my dear staff,

Over the past 33 years we’ve been together through every kind of crisis. Kay and I’ve been privileged to hold your hands as you faced a crisis or loss, stand with you at gravesides, and prayed for you when ill. Today, we need your prayer for us.

No words can express the anguished grief we feel right now. Our youngest son, Matthew, age 27, and a lifelong member of Saddleback, died today [Friday].

You who watched Matthew grow up knew he was an incredibly kind, gentle, and compassionate man. He had a brilliant intellect and a gift for sensing who was most in pain or most uncomfortable in a room. He’d then make a bee-line to that person to engage and encourage them.

But only those closest knew that he struggled from birth with mental illness, dark holes of depression, and even suicidal thoughts. In spite of America’s best doctors, meds, counselors, and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided. Today, after a fun evening together with Kay and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, he took his life.

Kay and I often marveled at his courage to keep moving in spite of relentless pain. I’ll never forget how, many years ago, after another approach had failed to give relief, Matthew said “ Dad, I know I’m going to heaven. Why can’t I just die and end this pain?” but he kept going for another decade.

Thank you for your love and prayers. We love you back.

Pastor Rick

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Bi-Polar disorder will do that and they always use Depression as a blanket term.

 

Bi-Polar disorder will do that and they always use Depression as a blanket term.

Sure. But if Pastor Warren really means Bi-Polar Disorder when he uses the words "mental illness" then how did he know his son "struggled from birth" with it?  Can Bi-Polar Disorder be diagnosed at the time of birth? Can an infant even be said to have Bi-Polar Disorder? I don't think so.

What other sort of "mental illness", or what passes for it in Pastor Warren's reckoning, are people born with? 

The baby or child would have some behaviour problems - things like a failure to thrive or attach to their caregivers or an inibility to sooth themselves. All those attention defecit and hyperactivity disorders in children are all under suspicion and are being looked at as an early indicators for Bi-Polar disorder. Rapid talking and an inability to concentrate can all point to it in children.

That's interesting. I didn't know that.

Nevertheless, why the lack of specifics from Warren? Why avoid the name of the illness that took his son's life?

 

Who knows why the family is holding back. Theres a lot of stigma that comes with mental illness so they just call it depression. One reason could be that mental illness is highly heritable so then the whole family becomes exposed.

My brother had BPd - He was a brilliant, creative and caring person at his best and at his worst he had a couple of wives and families who didnt know about each other and he would often abandon them.

 

 

With Schizophrenia there are usually distinct voices constantly giving negative commentary on everything you do. Calling you names - telling you your an idiot and you cant do anything right. Telling you to kill yourself and others. Horrifying thought isnt it.

With BPd - I have heard that when the person is suicidal or commits suicide,  that they are in the manic phase of the disorder and not the depressed phase.

 

 

 

Stephen Fry did this excellent documentary about his Bi-Polar.

The Secret Life of a Manic Depressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3EacQ4GfiU

Today, after a fun evening together with Kay and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, he took his life.

The words "momentary wave of despair" alone describe how clueless this parasite was about depression, or suicidal thoughts in general. But that was already evident from his praying to cure his son's emotional problems. The only mental illness this kid had was his father, who in his delusional state of mind couldn't keep his son from becoming worm food.

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