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Permalink Reply by Nate Lundgren on February 20, 2013 at 2:37pm

http://poestories.com/text.php?file=murders The first part of this story is relevant to some degree in this discussion. It is possible for highly intelligent people to seem prescient or even to actually be rather accurate in their predictions of future events, spoken words, music or the thoughts of others. Of course these experiences are limited to those that are both highly intelligent and have a deep enough relationship with those parts of reality around them to appear to read minds etc.

It is possible to become so in sync with someone's else's thoughts that one can appear to be reading their mind. This does delve rather deeply into the interconnectedness of the human mind and it's relationship to the networks (neural, chemical, etc.) that make up reality. Just because we don't fully or even partially in many cases understand how all of the interconnectedness works doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.  There are experiments with reading people's brainwaves etc. and so in a sense that is like reading their minds but those are still very limited experiments with limited results so far. The future is going to be mind-blowing, hahahaha ;) 

Science is our best tool to discover these links, nodes, memories etc. and how they work. I'm excited for the projects in the EU and soon in the United States to fully map and study the human brain. If science can do that, we will have a much better understanding of how all of the interconnected networks of life and reality work. It should be rather fascinating when we don't have to guess as much (or at all) about how the brain works.

The theory of the brain is the last frontier in science that I actually personally care about. Interstellar travel and all that would be cool and maybe needed someday but fully understanding my own mind and body so as to make them function better would awesome indeed. I suppose I'm selfish in that desire but I'm willing to share anything I learn so others can have better bodies and brains.  :)   

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on February 20, 2013 at 3:32pm

It is possible to become so in sync with someone's else's thoughts that one can appear to be reading their mind.

That's the answer right there. No science needed. I've been friends with people with such mutual understanding that we often finished each other's sentences. If one is gullible, it can seem we are reading each others' minds, whereas we simply know each other.

However, one can be so in tune with a stranger, too, as to be able to anticipate the way they think. OR you can know their type (predatory or submissive, for example) to be able to anticipate their behavior to a large degree. 

"Cold readers" are talented con men who can appear to be reading people's minds. Some of the techniques are outlined here. 

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Permalink Reply by James Cox on February 20, 2013 at 10:05pm

I have known my share of folks, including myself at times, that could just about predict the 'next comment'. Sadly a few people I have known seem to be a little overly predictable. This can come from excess exposure, living together, or 'mental universe size', where you can finally get to the top of another's functional/cognitive space, and start looking around. I expect we each carry this 'top' with us, with a little variation thrown in for novelty.

I find myself very happy when I can't find it in another person, but just figure that my monkey brain just stopped looking for the bananas... 

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Permalink Reply by Mat Waldie on February 20, 2013 at 7:22pm

How about witnessing the same particle in 2 different places at the same time and take a picture of it. Then look closer and see the same particle, just 1 particle in 4 or 10 different places at the same time. All at a quantum level of course. How can something exist in the same exact time in 2 or more different places? Oh it's so lovely it makes me happy just to think about it. then pull out and the farther away you the particle the less places it exists in. Science is wonderful. and this is not the weirdest quantum discovery. Quantum gravity may well be the weirdest reality shift ever if proven true. Makes the god particle seem like small potato's.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on February 20, 2013 at 7:28pm

There's that and the phenomenon called "entanglement" where something happening to a local particle can have a simultaneous effect on another particle a vast distance away.

Particles don't come with serial numbers. What makes two particles "the same." Likewise, I'd like to know how they know that two particles are entangled?

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Permalink Reply by Mat Waldie on February 20, 2013 at 7:45pm

They suspend the particle in a field of energy and focus in on one like a photo paper, its an image of the particle because the actual particle is in and out of existance to quickly. But that does bring up a more amazing possiblity that no matter how close in you get on a particle that there truely is not one.

I do like entanglement although not so sure I get behind completely the multiverse theory. I think that its more of an attempt to narrow things down to hard and fast rules. I do lean toward waves of possiblities as a better explanation of quantum mechanics.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on February 20, 2013 at 9:36pm

Sorry, an explanation I can't understand doesn't really answer my question. In fact, I think you're denying the possibility that one can know two particles in different places are the same particle. Like I said, they don't come with serial numbers, and I assume one particle of a type looks like any other particle of the same type. "All electrons look the same to me!"

Am I wrong?

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Permalink Reply by Mat Waldie on February 21, 2013 at 1:01pm

Single Particle Explorer (SPE)  enables you to reliably determine
the chemical composition, number, shape and size, of each individual particle larger than 0.5 µm.

The above is an industrial application they now have detectors developed for the accelerator that may go much smaller. They are sure this is the same particle.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on February 21, 2013 at 8:04pm

Oh, really? So, subatomic particles are made of chemicals. Do you think they are elements, compounds, or mixtures?

Bwahahahahaha!

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Permalink Reply by SteveInCO on February 21, 2013 at 8:09pm

Nothing whatsoever to do with entangled electrons.

Go read up on what an electron is in relation to an atom, and an atom in relation to a molecule.  At which point you will understand why Unseen laughed.

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Permalink Reply by Mat Waldie on February 22, 2013 at 1:24pm

I'm not sure what superiority dance you guys are are on a trip about, but its cool with me. you guys taking some time to bust my balls I take as a compliment that you took the time:) I was not discussing entanglement btw. I was talking about the duality of particles at a quantum level. How do you supposed the hadron collider knows one particle from the other? Is the instrument I posted above ficticious somehow? instead of laughing learn me sumthin.

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Permalink Reply by James Cox on February 20, 2013 at 10:21pm

"where something happening to a local particle can have a simultaneous effect on another particle a vast distance away."

Sadly, due to the popularization of the subject, people making this point have not looked deeply into the 'details'. In the theory part, they mention that no effect propagation faster than the speed of light is implyed. This limit is still assumed. I do have to say though, that it would be very nice to have atleast one allowable violation. LOL

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