The message I got from this wasn't that people who abstain are retarded. The message I got from this was that people who abstain because the media tells them that they'll get cancer are victims of fear. It's not like everyone who smokes will end up getting cancer, but it's made to seem like that's the case. Everything you do will probably have a risk involved, so why avoid everything just because there's a chance it could happen?


Just like Cody said; "I  just want to know when did the risk apply the things trump the ability to have fun in doing them?".


Then out of curiosity I ended up looking at statistics from here;,9171,1004582,00.html



"Consider the case of a 51-year-old woman who smoked a pack a day from age 14 until she stopped at age 42. The model puts her chances of getting lung cancer in the next decade at less than 1 in 100. Compare that with a 68-year-old man who has smoked two packs a day for 50 years and hasn't quit. He has a 1-in-7 chance of getting lung cancer by his 78th birthday. If he quits, his 10-year risk drops to 1 in 9.

So what's a smoker to think? A 1-in-7 chance of getting lung cancer will scare some folks into quitting, but you might be tempted to shrug off a 1-in-100 chance and think to yourself, As long as I quit by 42, I'm O.K. Think again. More smokers die of heart disease than lung cancer--not to mention that smokers have greater susceptibility to emphysema and other chronic illnesses."


 They're telling us that there's a 1/100 chance of getting cancer if you smoke a pack a day for 28 years, yet right near the end remind us to think again. What the fuck? Does every pack of cigarettes have to keep reminding us that we can get cancer? It's like the whole image is saying that we WILL get cancer. 


I smoke occasionally and with pipe tobacco. Looking at these statistics the chances of me getting anything seem way to slim to even be worrying about getting cancer. 


So for you smokers and non-smokers, what do you think about the media trying to implement fear into everything and anything that's enjoyable? 

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Not sure if I'm understanding the point, but all of those people that can't pay for care get it at the end of life anyways. So you can have planned and structured socialized medicine or you can have haphazard socialized medicine. If you want more care than what the socialized medicine pays for, you can still get the extra care in the capitalist manner. Factually, those that don't pay for care now will be given the opportunity to pay for care and in some cases be obliged to pay so that we don't have to pay for them 100%. This eliminates some of Steve's concerns, not exacerbates it.
Right and what we have now is haphazard socialized medicine.   For years we've all been paying for the smoker who gets ephysema and the guy riding the motorcycle without a helmet who gets in an accident  - we just don't realize it because we have very little information about how the whole health insurance thng works or how we pay for health care in this country.  We'd all be better off with, as you say, a planned and structured health care delivery system (with a side option of buying extra in a private transaction) which is the system that every single modern country has.....
Actually in Canada the option of paying for extra care is a very sticky one.  You can get cosmetic surgery privately, or you can fly to the US and pay for private care for other matters, but doctors here can't legally offer private medical care to those who want to pay extra - it goes against the 'equal care for all' spirit of Canadian health care.  Crazy, but true.
Just to be clear I would like a medical system that runs like the Japanese model. They have private care but it is heavily regulated just like the utility companies are here.  The logic is you don't have a choice on the power company that brings you the power so there has to be a system to keep them from gouging you .  Unfortunately we have healthcare for profit and that stinks to high heaven. Do you really have that many choices when you are sick.  Can you just opt not to be sick.  Why should someone make a ton of money off of you when vulnerable. When did that become the moral thing to do.
I was disappointed that the Bismarck System wasn't raised as a potential. It could have been shaped to solve many problems. Germany, France, and Japan are all using different versions of this model.
Europe spends about 7 to 8% of GDP on health care and it is universal. We spend 15%  and even people with good insurance run into road blocks trying to get medical attention.  There are no doctor shortages in Japan and no waiting time to see a physician. The only drawback is doctors are salaries are pretty abysmal. But since we are already spending twice what everybody else is the money should be there to do this thing right.

95% of all medical needs were preventable in the first place. A single payer, no hassle system, is able to reduce the obsession with generating revenue by healing desperate people and refocus on prevention. Of course the Canadian system may not be perceived as terribly efficient in the area of prevention. Because so much of our policies are based on bogus pseudo-science studies like those demonstrating that cyclists' lives are saved by helmets... Yep, lots of bogus science around.


Nonetheless, the Canadian system, tho certainly not the top system in the world, on a basis of health/investment, but it certainly has nothing to envy of the USA medical system. The only factors relevant to the debate are total money spent in exchange for total health achieved. Everything else is moot.


We must also realise that there never would have been so many smokers in the first place had good medical systems been in place. We've known for generations that smoking regularly significantly shortens the life-span and increases medical costs. But the nicotine corporations controlled the minds of the weak and the minds of government and kept nicotine in everyone's face. OUR nicotine companies are still aiming all their advertising in the third world at hooking children.


So it's NOT always about individual decisions and responsibilities, the role of a responsible government and a responsible preventative healthcare system is not to prohibit an unhealthy practice, but to make it unappealing and to take power out of the hands pushing the harm onto the population in the first place.


On another thread regarding legalising of drugs there is much discussion about addiction. People with addictive personalities do not have control over their propensity to get hooked. As a society, we can either incur the additional cost to cure the harms done, or spend less money on pharmaceuticals and focus on prevention instead. Single-payer, hassle free medicine has this as a goal. General health and happiness.


We need to strip away all regulations favouring nicotine sales, regulate it as a drug, along with a decriminilisation of the presently illicit drugs and create a comprehensive harm mitigation policy for all addictive substances.

Im sorry. I didn't realize my medical bills were being sent to your house, and causing a detrimental effect on your salary... Cause I'm pretty sure no one has ever knocked on your door and said, "here, pay this asshole."

I don't think fear should be used to make people think that lighting up once will undoubtedly give them cancer. However, I feel that education is important here. While there is no guarantee that cigarettes will give you cancer, I think that letting people know that they may increase your chances of getting cancer is important.


Personally I've never smoked (anything of any sort) once in my life. It wasn't from fear of cancer, or my parents, or anything like that. Just the simple fact that from a very young age I couldn't stand the smell of the smoke. It could give me a headache, feel sick, etc. (When it came time to buy my first car, I had to walk away from otherwise nice cars, because they smelled like a chimney). So smoking was the last thing on my 'to try' list. As time went on, I grew to consider it to be an expensive and dirty habit from viewing my relatives and others I knew that smoked. That said, I don't view the smokers themselves as 'dirty', but the habit is very unappetizing top me. I have since grew to tolerate the smoke much better, but would still never consider giving it a try.


I see it as very beneficial to quit or not smoke to begin with. I don't know that the fear card should be played as it is, but maximizing the public understanding of potential implications can't be a bad thing.



I have not watched the video yet (need headphones) but in reading the comments, I get the jist of it. I am a smoker, I have been smoking since I was 14 and I'm now 26. It really does hurt your quality of life. the only times I have quit is when preggo. Then I started right back up after my babies were born (please note: I'm an outside smoker, I don't smoke in the caar either).  Every time I have kicked myself in the ass. I am gearing up to quit, this time for myself and my own health. reading this thread gives me even more motivation :) Thanks!! and wish me luck on my scary journey lol
With less than 12 years of smoking, and assuming you quit for almost a year once, your odds are pretty good.  Having a child (or more than one) you have plenty of reason to want to skew the statistics a good 10 or 20 years in your favour.  I'm a long term smoker and I have to say that if you feel motivated, and given your young age, you should throw out your cigarettes as soon as you read this and never look back.  Don't even try to convince yourself that you'll quit when your pack runs empty.
I couldn't even quit during my first pregnancy, and only at the end of my 2nd.  I quit for good in my first trimester of my 3rd child, 3 1/2 years ago.  I went cold turkey.  The prices now keep me from lighting up even when I feel like I want to! I can take deeper breaths, my fingers aren't stained, and my breath isn't like an ashtray. Not to mention, I'm not wasting all that money.  Clothes don't stink. No butts or ashes to deal with.  Definitely worth it to quit, if you can.  So, GOOD LUCK!


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