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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on March 7, 2013 at 12:13am

When I used to run, and sometimes while cross country skiing, I would hit a mental state that I called 'zoned'.  In that state, nothing bothered me and all my thoughts just stopped.  I would only be aware of my heart beating and my breath, and it was truly perfect.  I really need to get back to that one of these days.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 7, 2013 at 12:36am

I don't know if my experience was similar Heather, but I couldn't feel anything - it was though I were a disembodied spirit, just flying down the trail, totally oblivious to anything physical.

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Permalink Reply by MikeLong on March 7, 2013 at 1:52am

'zoned'

It's endorphins, isn't it. Isn't that why (especially) runners get withdrawals if prevented from running. I'd say "nirvana" is probably a chemical state too.

Nothing wrong with chemical states per se, mind you.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on March 7, 2013 at 8:47am

And it explains how people become "addicted" to exercise. You know the type: runs 5 miles every single day and when s/he can't run on a particular day either suffers from extreme guilt over it or runs 10 the next day. Exercise way beyond what might be required for health, because that sort of running everyday actually isn't healthy and will take its toll eventually. 

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on March 7, 2013 at 11:58am

Raving's like that. 

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Permalink Reply by Lewal on March 12, 2013 at 6:55am

And/or MDMA. There's some research on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTJaH79pskU

Experiences may vary.

But it sure explains why I like dubstep.

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on March 7, 2013 at 12:00pm

Those African tribes-people who stay up all night drumming and dancing?  It's just like that.  Some combination of rhythmical music, rhythmical movement, exertion and endorphins.  Trancing out. 

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on March 8, 2013 at 7:18pm

From "Sufi Saints of the Indian Subcontinent" by Zahurul Hassan Sharib: 

Hazrat Shaikh Sharf-ud-din Bu Ali Qalandar is considered to be one of the leading saints.  ...  He acquired knowledge and learning and took to renunciation and ascetic practices.  On his becoming an absorbed one, he threw all his books into a river.  ... 

In one of his letters, he says that when an individual is shown the Grace of God and the proper mood is conferred upon him, and he is separated from the self, then and only then will love make its own way and show its own manifestation of beauty, and only then will he recognise the beloved. 

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Permalink Reply by Angela Evangelia on March 9, 2013 at 8:17pm

I know how ...

I really do ....

I've reached it ...

(now you all think Im mad)

Good Grief!! .. madness has a lot to do with it ...

 

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on March 12, 2013 at 4:29pm

@Angela - I'm listening...

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 12, 2013 at 10:17am

RE: "How do you reach Nirvana?" - last I heard, she was still stripping at the Starlight - tell her Arch sent you.

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Permalink Reply by प्रमोद शाही on March 12, 2013 at 4:17pm

Quoting Wiki for that word.. Nirvana:

"A transcendent state in which there is neither suffering, desire, nor sense of self, and the subject is released from the effects of karma and samsara. It represents the final goal of Buddhism."

We can break that word as "Nir+vana" in Indic languages.
It's a negation of "Va+na". 
To understand this, here's an eg.  
"Ishvara" = God, "Vada" = ism, "Nir" = Not.
>> Nir+ishvara+vada= NonTheism. 
 
There are various definitions for that word "va+na",

1. "va+na/ब+न" means "FOREST", Nir+vana = ?"Not Wild"?
2. (neither suffering, desire, nor sense of self)
   that's a midway virus of Buddhism & you can trace it back to "theistic" non-Dualism of Hinduism.
3. (subject is released from the effects of karma and samsara)
   Main problem in the relation between "your deeds" Karma & "world" samsara is the question on the belief that "Karmas in this lifetime will affect your afterlife" ? in another planet?
   Here for eg.. You're a soul & your body is in human "avatar" of this world. You are here to be free from the infinite cycles of birth & rebirths. You'll be free from the tags of "born again & again & again ... Hindu/Buddhist", IF your "sin" level will be at zero OR IF you've a ticket to Nirvana's concert (unification with supreme soul/GOD in Hinduism).

Thank God !!  I'm a born again & again & again... Hindu Atheist,
I'll be happy with my Bacterium avatar in my next life "on a new planet".   :-P 

There are many wings of Buddhism & most of them follow Buddhism as a tradition.
If you'll phonetically translate "Buddhi+ism" back to English from Indic languages, that's "Mind+ism".
In my mind "Nirvana" is equivalent to "Death", when the soul "atoms/energy" of this body will be unified with the Universe.
Technically in theosophy, Nirvana is equivalent to "people of Abrahamic faiths gaining access to the Garden of Eden".
++ If you are interested in the cosmic database of Karmas & Samsaras..
(jus 4 lulz) Aakashic Records are pan-dimensional DB with Big-Bang Protection &  built-in consciousness (for 311 trillion 40 billion light yrs) aka "Mind of God/ Book Of Life".. + Base of Mr. Deepak Chopra's books.
Best argument for the existence of supreme soul/Nirvana in both Buddhism & Hinduism is
"Neither the existent Nor the non-existent."

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