Skepchick's huge controversy over late night proposition.

In case you are not currently aware, Skepchick Rebecca Watson attended some conference recently and, when she finally went to bed after talking for hours, found herself in an elevator with a strange man who asked her if she would like to go to his room for coffee to talk some more. In her recent video she said "Guys: dont do this...".


The problem is she is not really clear what the problem is. Some people are saying all men are evil rapists. Some people are saying she is over reacting to what was an innocent proposition. Having read a few of other peoples comments I believe the main problem was that she was trapped in an enclosed space with a strange man who just propositioned her and she declined. So the proposition itself was not bad(personally I would consider it flattering), but the timing and location of the proposition put her in uncomfortable situation. I think if he had asked her the same question in a more open space, she would of felt more secure that her answer would be heeded. Like if he asked her the same question just as she got off the elevator rather than when they were alone in the elevator, it would of not been such a big deal because if she says no: the doors close and they both go on their merry way.


What do other people think? all men are evil-psycho-rapists? she over reacted? what this guy did is totally fine?

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But this never was an issue about Dawkins receiving death threats.  It WAS an issue about her simply stating that she did not appreciate the advance and Dawkins being a dick about it.

Heather , believe it or not , but rejection is a huge behavioral impairment of most women if you are going to use that argument.  Women practically NEVER make the 'first move' or approach a guy.  


That's why I turn it into a numbers game.  Each female get's a number , I turn it into a game so I don't get hurt by being rejected a lot.  Eventually , after you approach enough females , one will bite and sparks will fly.  


Or for me at least , most of them turn out to be Christians .... then I go for another girl LOL  

spineless doesn't mean creepy.  Maybe he didn't want to be rejected in front of a lot of people so he proceeded to approach her alone.  : /  


I think creepy is where a man has creepy intentions ... wanting to have sex with a woman doesn't seem to be creepy in my opinion.  Cornering them in a dark corner in an alley is though ... 

An elevator is very analogous to a dark alley.

an elevator is usually lit , has a camera , has buttons to exit and is usually placed near a lot of people ... if it's a hotel. Hotel people have night workers and people who are

Analogous - it is a space where one can easily feel threatened. If that doesn't apply to you, then please realize that your own personal feelings on the issue are not everyone's.
Notice I also specified 'Cornered' in a dark alley.

I am not stalking your replies on purpose , I just happen to disagree with you ... this one time. :P

standing in an elevator isn't really 'cornering' anyone. You have to walk up to them and continuing to pressure them to back up against the wall of the elevator ... then continue to approach them while they are already backed up all the way ... away from the buttons.
But again, she didn't cry 'rape' or 'harassment', she said she didn't appreciate it and asked, "Guy's don't do that." And then she was treated like shit for it, like she should be complimented that the guy followed her onto the elevator to try a pick-up and appreciate the offer.

well then , Dawkins doesn't appreciate people chewing gum in a closed elevator.  


I would be quite honored if a woman did that to me.  Damn , thanks babe.  I'd love to get coffee with you.  


(Some females would jump at the offer too if the guy was attractive enough , or if they wanted a spontaeous fling after getting dumped by their boyfriend for instance)  


You never know until you try.  Boo hoo that a guy found her sexually exciting.  She has so much to complain about..... 

The point was she was communicating the fact that she didn't appreciate it and asking that other men 'not do that'.  Where was her complaint?  She started complaining after some men told her she deserved to be raped to death for not loving the come on - no one deserves that, and if you don't see the problem there then we really don't have anything to discuss.


 "some people people are saying all men are evil rapist" Do you have a creditable reference for that statement? Actual proof someone REALLY thinks that? Anyone who would think such a ridiculous thing would have serious issues meeting any basic physiological needs, unless they lived in secluded village without any men. Not everyone is as analytical as you or I might be. Most men don’t have a degree in environmental psychology and don’t methodically plot out things of this nature.  

No, it was more a rhetorical statement to reflect the fact that some people were saying some nasty things about men in general.

"Most men don’t have a degree in environmental psychology and don’t methodically plot out things of this nature." - Agreed, that was (essentially) what some other comments I read were trying to say.


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