My wife and I are trying to have a baby. One of the biggest concerns we have if it is a boy is circumcision. I am circumcised and my first reaction is to say "Well I wouldn't go back so it is the right choice". But unfortunately there is more to it than that. Circumcision started, in my mind, to remove sexual pleasure from the male because sex was the road to sin and only for reproduction and should not be enjoyed. Many nerves are removed from circumcision and I have heard sex is more pleasurable for males not circumcised, but unfortunately that is hard to know for sure.
Then there is the idea that it is a part of our culture now and completely acceptable. But what is it really other than male genital mutilation? They say that is is healthier, but I have also heard that the data for that claim is inconclusive.
Female circumcision disgust me and yet many cultures practice it. To them it is normal. I am sure that uncircumcised females in those cultures have "ugly" vaginas to them just as a lot of women have told me that an uncircumcised penis is "ugly".
I have seen a circumcision and it is horrifying. I dont know if I should do this to my future son. There is the part of me that thinks it is normal and I should. Then there is the part of me that sees it as another brutal religious act setup by an ancient brutal god to remove our sexuality that we, for some reason, still practice like idiots. Then we go through all this trouble to "prove" it is healthy to mutilate sex organs to justify the insane act.
What are some of your thoughts on this?
Well good for you buddy, that is your preference and thats good.
But its still unethical to just remove that choice from a child who is so young. Personally I view it as child abuse and I don't think you should mess with nature in that way.
And neither do I "need" stereoscopic vision. Not much of an argument really, if you think about it.
Do it right when he pops out. I had to go back to do it when I was like 8, and it was seriously traumatic, the anistisia made me ill for days so they kept me in the hospital. Now I have a life long fear of surgery and the medical environment and I pass out sometimes when I encounter depictions of genital mutilation.
Hank - why was it necessary when you were 8?
I don';t know, they all kepst saying it was nessecary but I don't really think it was. I think they knew I would object to unessecary surgery. There might have been something wrong with my junk though, In all those eight years I don't once remember it coming out of it's little turtle neck, so maybe it was ill fitted. I have other theories too. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I'm circumcised, but I think there's a reason they do it as a babby, the whole thing fucked with me pretty bad, even to this day I still have to avoid things that might make me faint.
Having recently read a lot more than I cared for about male dangly bits just for this thread, I think I encountered a reference to what you went through. Apparently the foreskin doesn't draw back at first and can take until age 12 to do so. Unfortunately there used to be a theory that if it didn't draw back before age 5 then it had to be removed. I understand some medical text books still assert this erroneous number.
Certainly if there were a requirement to remove it in later childhood with any significant frequency I can see how it would be better to remove it neonatally. I'm sorry you had to go through such a horrible experience.
well that actualy explains a good deal. Thanks
Curious, what does your wife think?
This article is worth a read.
Once again Penn and Teller snip it right on the head.
Should check this out...
We just went though the same debate, we didnt have out son done.
My wife and I had a baby boy back in June 2012, and we debated about this. She was good with it either way. My Christian beliefs were almost completely gone at that point.
It was a tough decision, but we did eventually decide to circumcise. The reasons were twofold:
Based on those reasons, I'm comfortable with the decision, but each couple's mileage may vary.