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Permalink Reply by Terry H. on February 23, 2011 at 9:22pm

I cant recall the names and places but some muslim religious leaders, concerned about a nascent Jewish state, met with Hitler and agreed to train-fund Bosniann Muslim troops..and the Dhimma, I think I would be correct in writing have to pay a jizya or tax....I was biased in favor of Israel until I viewed you tube videos of jewish religious fanatics abusing Palestinians...

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Permalink Reply by Jaume on February 23, 2011 at 9:29pm

Even Zionist Jews tried to cooperate with the Nazis. How about this:

 

In 1940, Lehi proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in "transferring" the Jews of Europe to Palestine, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik went to Beirut to meet German official Werner Otto von Hentig (who also was involved with the Haavara or "Transfer" Agreement, which had been transferring German Jews and their funds to Palestine since 1933). Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations. [more]

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Permalink Reply by Ryan E. Hoffman on February 23, 2011 at 9:57pm

I take those things with a grain of salt ever since it was proven that Lebanon used duplicate bodies to trump up the casualties in the conflict with Israel a few years ago. I think you should be wary about accepting anecdotal propaganda to make judgments about an entire state.

 

I am very much in favor of Israel, but I also have a lot of issues with the way their government operates, especially in this country. They need to get their Zionists under control and make a secular approach to resolving conflict. Wishful thinking, I suppose...

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Permalink Reply by William C. Walker on February 22, 2011 at 9:38am

David, You're absolutely right. In 1945, WE should have accepted the survivors of the holocaust. They'd have made good productive citizens. And we would not have been funding Israel & wars for the past 65 years.  We somehow made room for *EDITED RACIAL SLUR*(ADMIN) legal and illegal immigrants later.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on February 22, 2011 at 8:34pm

That is a very interesting point and one which is rarely mentioned in these conversations.

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on February 23, 2011 at 11:15am

By 1945 many of the survivors of the holocaust wanted nothing to do with us.  They wanted a homeland controlled by themselves.  The time to have taken them in was the 1930's.  THAT, and U.S. intervention in the Spanish Civil War of the 1930's would have averted much of WWII, though I will venture to guess that Hitler still would have wanted to re-write history and change the results from the first war.

 

I am generally in favor of the U.S. minding it's own business, but I think it's a question of having good judgment about when to intervene and when not to.  The U.S.'s behavior during the Spanish Civil War was particularly egregious because we refused to sell arms to the legitimate government of Spain, thus setting the stage for fascist victory and emboldening the other fascist governments in Europe.

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Permalink Reply by Jaume on February 23, 2011 at 11:51am

The time to have taken them in was the 1930's.

 

Or the year 1940. The US were not at war with the Axis yet, and thus could have helped Hitler evacuate the European Jews to Madagascar.

Although a successful Madagascar Plan might only mean that today's 'Palestinians' would have a darker complexion.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on February 24, 2011 at 1:47am

Or Ethiopia...

Indeed, wherever an entire people are 'translocated' there will be problems. Best to deal with the problems at home.

I think everyone here agrees that the USA was right to participate in WW2, I think it should have been sooner.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on February 24, 2011 at 1:46am

From my understanding of various zionist-Israel-creation documents from around the time of the Balfour declaration, zionism was never a popular movement, it was a political push by a couple of very influential atheist-zionists who saw a chance at economic prosperity through religious lies, not unlike many of today's and historical leaders who may or may not have been truly religious but used religious arguments to win causes (Hitler, Bush, etc). So I don't think the holocaust survivors played a very big role in that unfortunate event (creation of Israel). Once Nazism was destroyed and international presence established, the Jews -and let's not forget the other groups which had been persecuted- could have stayed wherever they were living at the time. The gays and gypsies didn't get their own country after the holocaust...

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on February 24, 2011 at 9:55am

The gays and gypsies don't have a historical homeland that they have been longing to return to for centuries.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on February 24, 2011 at 10:18am

Nor were Jews en masse 'longing' to go to Palestine! It is mostly a political mantra that came about since WW1. In pre-Israel days, they could just as equally have chosen Ethiopia.

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Permalink Reply by Terry H. on February 23, 2011 at 10:17pm

Shia and Sunni muslims going ballistic on one anothers families, committing the most extreme of inhumanities is the result of the United States invasion? or koranic teachings and pure hatred spewed from vile imams and sheiks....

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