I am not for war, but is it sometimes necessary? Ask Americans why we are at war and you will get different answers.
We provide healthcare for other countries when thousands of Americans can't afford insurance. We put our troops in danger for another country's "freedom". We have alliances that make enemies of other countries. We supply and support Israel. All for what? How exactly does this benefit America?
Should we continue doing what we have been doing or should we just stay over here and mind our own business? I am eager to see how other atheists view this.
Even Zionist Jews tried to cooperate with the Nazis. How about this:
In 1940, Lehi proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in "transferring" the Jews of Europe to Palestine, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik went to Beirut to meet German official Werner Otto von Hentig (who also was involved with the Haavara or "Transfer" Agreement, which had been transferring German Jews and their funds to Palestine since 1933). Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations. [more]
I take those things with a grain of salt ever since it was proven that Lebanon used duplicate bodies to trump up the casualties in the conflict with Israel a few years ago. I think you should be wary about accepting anecdotal propaganda to make judgments about an entire state.
I am very much in favor of Israel, but I also have a lot of issues with the way their government operates, especially in this country. They need to get their Zionists under control and make a secular approach to resolving conflict. Wishful thinking, I suppose...
By 1945 many of the survivors of the holocaust wanted nothing to do with us. They wanted a homeland controlled by themselves. The time to have taken them in was the 1930's. THAT, and U.S. intervention in the Spanish Civil War of the 1930's would have averted much of WWII, though I will venture to guess that Hitler still would have wanted to re-write history and change the results from the first war.
I am generally in favor of the U.S. minding it's own business, but I think it's a question of having good judgment about when to intervene and when not to. The U.S.'s behavior during the Spanish Civil War was particularly egregious because we refused to sell arms to the legitimate government of Spain, thus setting the stage for fascist victory and emboldening the other fascist governments in Europe.
The time to have taken them in was the 1930's.
Or the year 1940. The US were not at war with the Axis yet, and thus could have helped Hitler evacuate the European Jews to Madagascar.
Although a successful Madagascar Plan might only mean that today's 'Palestinians' would have a darker complexion.
Indeed, wherever an entire people are 'translocated' there will be problems. Best to deal with the problems at home.
I think everyone here agrees that the USA was right to participate in WW2, I think it should have been sooner.
From my understanding of various zionist-Israel-creation documents from around the time of the Balfour declaration, zionism was never a popular movement, it was a political push by a couple of very influential atheist-zionists who saw a chance at economic prosperity through religious lies, not unlike many of today's and historical leaders who may or may not have been truly religious but used religious arguments to win causes (Hitler, Bush, etc). So I don't think the holocaust survivors played a very big role in that unfortunate event (creation of Israel). Once Nazism was destroyed and international presence established, the Jews -and let's not forget the other groups which had been persecuted- could have stayed wherever they were living at the time. The gays and gypsies didn't get their own country after the holocaust...
Shia and Sunni muslims going ballistic on one anothers families, committing the most extreme of inhumanities is the result of the United States invasion? or koranic teachings and pure hatred spewed from vile imams and sheiks....