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Permalink Reply by Amber Cantrell on April 15, 2011 at 11:12am

Don't stop!!

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Permalink Reply by 3equ3cp1fsw0n on April 15, 2011 at 11:33am

On atheist forums, I see this a lot (why do we as atheists get so much more crap when we express our opinoins than religious folks?). I think the reason may be most people view atheists as outlaws and fear society would collapse if they were to obtain too much power.

 

It does not help that a lot of athesits go around insulting the intelligence of religious folks (I'm guilty too sometimes) and this fuels their fear and aggression towards us.  

 

A suggestion is to say something nice about them along with when you say something bad about them. Soften the blow, you know?

 

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Permalink Reply by Apple on April 15, 2011 at 11:54am

Actually that's a great suggestion, and it even works with Islam.  You could say how you appreciate how the religion encourages people to be less materialistic.  Sure, religions encourage it for the wrong reasons, mainly for taking your money.  Still, the core lesson is valuable none the less.  It really doesn't matter if one believes in an after life or not, because either way all material possessions and wealth are left behind in the end.  Helping others and being a good person in the community is a value that is often promoted by religion, and one that we can all share.

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Permalink Reply by Rodrica Davis on April 15, 2011 at 12:34pm

My intuition to not take the posts of if it was, as you said, on your own personal page. Now if you are at the YMCA preaching atheism or something and he asked you to stop then of course you would be obligated to do so. But for your karate master to insist that you subdue your personal life because it may be offensive is I think taking it too far. Your work life is your work life and therefore may be dictated. But your personal life is your personal life and may not be dictated. Sure he can request you to take the post down but I don't think he can fire you or make you quit if you choose to deny his request. If he does then I think that is discrimination. I think the question the question becomes who do you respect more? Yourself or your master? If he truly respected you, he probably would not be requesting something like that of you. Just my thoughts.

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Permalink Reply by Peter on April 15, 2011 at 7:39pm

Well first off, I think your post was fine and if anyone gets offended by it then they have anger issues.
But in any case, I think that if you make a clear distinction between humor and bashing from your perspective then it should be ok to post things such as that. Let people know that you do not mean any offense. It is true that people make still be offended by such a post, but what can anyone do about that? Only they can choose how they react.

 

In order to "draw a line" between offensive material and your opinion is rather difficult. The best response I can give to this is considering the possible harm one may get from such posts. Asking yourself if a post has the potential to offend someone is actually what I do quite often (though that tends to leave me not posting anything at all...) Of course, everyone is different, and because of that you will find people who will break desks and punch babies over small simple stuff. Of course at that point, it is not entirely your fault, and those people will need counseling.  I think if you have good intentions at heart, then there isn't much to worry about.

In terms of the separation between the work place and your personal life, I do think there are some connections and that it is not completely 2 different things. Looking at the Andrew Shirvell case, we can see the issue with his personal life and his career. He was obviously taking things much farther but anyone who sticks out will be regarded as a representation for what ever group, organization, etc that they belong to. That's just the society we live in.

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Permalink Reply by Bryan B on April 15, 2011 at 9:57pm

I have decided to keep them up. My Facebook is personal and privacy settings are quite strict so I will be myself. Thanks for the feedback everyone, that was quite a tricky ethical dilemma.

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Permalink Reply by Ralph Day on April 16, 2011 at 9:23am

I see this from both sides.  As a member/participant in a martial arts club and as an instructor.

 

Personal is personal, but if something  reflects poorly on the club then I would speak against it.  If Bryan (or any student) were going around bullying or intimidating people using his martial arts skills then a slapdown (metaphorical)  is in order...that reflects badly on the club and martial arts in general.  If Bryan is speaking/writing about what he feels and doesn't tie the two together in any threatening or itimidating way then it's none of my business.

 

Facebook, of course, ties all these things together in a mash of information.  It seems Bryan's sensei might be a little too sensetive to how others might react.  What if Bryan is a pseudonym for Stephen King?  Are we going to limit what kind of book he can write?  No.  If it reflects badly on his club or art form then yes.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Natarajan Shanker on April 21, 2011 at 8:54am

Remove your karate school - stuff from your facebook.

Really, its what I would do. Its YOUR profile, not YMCA's profile - isn't it? Your thoughts and ideas don't represent your group's. So your group has no business telling you that YOUR facebook profile shouldn't have this or that.

As a side note, I don't think religion bashing is a good idea either. More precisely, it is never effective when done by making fun of a deity/scripture. Logically pointing out fallacies and harms of a religion is (slightly) more effective in my experience.

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