The economy is on the rocks and for a lot of young people one of the few ways for them to make it in life is to join the armed forces it seems, what do you think?

one of my close relatives is asking himself should I join the armed forces?

His mother and father are both bible thumping Christians and he is as well, I'm trying to come up with some good reasons to give him not to join, I hope it's not too late to try to help him make the best choice.

I'm sure that many of us have people we know who are asking the same question so how about it what can we tell them to help them make the best choice?

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A family member is just coming home from many years overseas in the military--if you asked him, he would probably advise against it.  He's become incredibly disillusioned with the whole thing, and says that the military operations overseas are not, in his opinion (in many opinions) being handled well, which can be incredibly frustrating to soldiers who are just trying to do their jobs.  I think that if people who want to join talk to some actual servicemen, ones who will open up a little, they can get a much more accurate picture of what life in the military is right now.

Thats a good idea, when I talk to my nephew I will ask him to talk to people who have already served, another thing to look at is what good is the US military doing in the country's they are fighting in and what are their objectives and are the results of the actions in those wars producing results that are worth the blood and money that are being spent there? 


When I look at what is being accomplished in Afghanistan and Iraq by the US military it seem like it is a complete waste of precious lives and sparse resources and for what end?
If it is to help the people of Afghanistan and Iraq it doesn't seem to be doing that to me
and if it is to protect the US from terrorism it doesn't seem to be doing that either.
that's a young wife. you lucky thing.

There are, of course, noble reasons to serve in the military, but to have a job isn't one of them.  Military training teaches young people to obey orders without question or hesitation, to accede to the will of the driven herd, and to use their physical and mental skills to prevail in combat; that is, to kill the enemy. 

On balance, these are not wholesome or desirable attitudes for a person to acquire early in life.  They can be debilitating psychologically, and if these forcefully instilled attitudes and skills are pressed into service, the implications for health later in life can often be suspect.  Better to attend school and train to master a needed workplace skill than to look for validation and potential promise after military service.

Nicely stated defending one's country is a good reason to be part of the military so long as your country is doing the best for its people and the world but it doesn't seem to me that that's what the US is doing.

Don, Based on what you've written there doesn't seem to be any noble reasons to serve in the military. However, you stated that there are noble reasons. What might those be?


BTW Les, joining the military "just to have a job" is the choice many have made. I don't think its a good reason, but it is what it what is. You need to think about that one real hard. The military is not just another job. Another tidbit, you will be placed where they need you, not where you what to be. It doesn't matter if you have the greatest skills ever for a cook. If they need an grunt more that is where you will go (grunt = soldier/marine that does the shooting).

You mean, "...there don't seem to be any noble reasons..."  ;)

To put it simply and grandly, the defense of one's home and one's freedoms, when they are under attack or gravely threatened by greedy or hateful military powers is a noble reason to serve.  If I had been a Frenchman at the time of the Nazi occupation I would have fought for my country and my people.

yes their are noble reasons to serve, but if you serve you need to know for sure that the threat is real, with the distortion of the main stream press many people are making bad choices based of incorrect information. the mainstream press today in the US is under the control of only a few major corporations who also profit form war it seems and have interests that are counter to those of most of us, they help form the ideas that people have of whats going on in the world. they can profit mightily by distorting the truth.
There is plenty of suspect mainstream reporting, for sure, and yet without question there remain influential, reliable, widely read publications of substance whose editors hire scrupulous reporters with integrity and determination.  The Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Atlantic, and many more, offer the best writing on major, controversial subjects to broad audiences of discriminating readers.  The problem for many citizens today is that they lack the ability to tell good information from bad, or they lack the knowledge of where to look for information, preferring to be given analyses that support their prejudices and preconceptions.  With the great fragmentation of information sources in this age (from Mother Jones to Fox, People to HuffPo), it can be harder than ever for the average person to avoid misinformation and demagoguery.
by the way Don I'm not the one that is trying to decide it is my nephew and any one else who reads this that may be asking that question. I'm trying to find good reasons to give him not to join.
Thanks, Les, I got that.  The body of your post makes your purpose clear--although the title of the discussion could invite misinterpretation.


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