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When we set out to explain why and how something happens, we must use the evidence, facts and experience available to us if we are to arrive at a logical conclusion. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that the universe had a beginning and that before that beginning there was no universe and therefore there was nothing. We know this because of the Law of Causality (for every cause there is an effect and for every effect there is a cause). Based on this law, we can use the following logic:

 

1. The universe exists.

2. The universe had a beginning.

3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.

4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.

5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.

6. Nothing comes from nothing by any natural cause.

7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.

8. Life exists.

9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).

10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.

11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.

 

Many people with a naturalistic worldview assume everything can be explained by natural causes. From the beginning, they reject the possibility of a supernatural cause. Because of this they are left with no scientifically valid answers to the question of how the universe could come from nothing, which is impossible by any natural cause of which we are aware. Many answers have been proposed that go beyond the realm of known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation and therefore enter the realm of fiction.

 

The same logic applies to life. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that life only comes from pre-existing life of the same kind.

 

[color=blue][i]“Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the Law of Biogenesis. Evolution conflicts with this scientific law by claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes”[/color][/i] [[url=http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/]From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown[/url]]

 

Life never comes from non-living matter by any natural cause of which we are aware.

 

Now that we have seen proof that God exists, using logic based on known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we need to see if He has revealed Himself to us. In the Holy Bible there are hundreds of prophecies given by God who is speaking in the first person. In both Bible and secular history we find that those prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. No other writing on earth comes close to doing this! Only God can accurately reveal the future, ergo, He is the author of the Holy Bible. Within the pages of the Holy Bible He reveals His nature, our nature, His relationship to us, our need for salvation and His plan of salvation for us.

 

The reason the universe and life cannot come from nothing by any natural cause, but can come from a supernatural cause is because God is the self-existent creator of everything and everyone. He is not subject to His creation. He created it and sustains it. It is a mistake to judge God by human standards and human perspectives. God reveals that He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

 

If you are interested in more detailed proof, read, [i]“Evidence that Demands a Verdict”[/i] by Josh McDowell.

 

[[url=http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000005147#] From “Reincarnation in the Bible?” [/url]]

 

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@Michael
If you want to know how the brain originally started, look up the brain of a jelly fish. This may very well be the original brain cells.

If you want to learn the bible, you should learn it from an Atheist. If you want to learn science, you should learn it from an Anti-Science web site. Tell me if that makes sense to you?

What do you mean by "a colony of cells needs a brain and entity?"

 

The brain didn't just "mutate it's way into existence." There are mutations, natural selection, and other processes that drive biological evolution, like Brad said. We can see in nature brains that gradually get more and more complex, starting with, for example, insects, to dogs , to apes, to humans (to give a very brief list). Thanks for another straw man.

 

"Well no problem a well engineered multiprocessor beyond our understanding  will just mutate it's way into existence, through natural selection." When you put it this way (straw man) it does sound ridiculous. However, it sounds no more ridiculous to me then suggesting a intelligent designer did it, because that just moves the question up to who designed the designer. If the universe and life are so complex, how complex must the designer be? The biblical explanation that males were made from dirt and females were made from the first male's rib sounds even more ridiculous to me. And even if we didn't have evolution as an explanation, it doesn't make intelligent design right. You can't just say that it's so complex beyond our understanding that a god must have done it, without evidence. Just because it's beyond you doesn't mean a god must of done it. The appropriate answer in this situation would be "I don't know."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I present the Origin of the Brain by CDK007 Link since the reply is compressed. 

I present the Origin of the Brain by CDK007 Linksince the reply is compressed. 

I saw the video and the explanations. the fallacy is that between stages of well functioning systems,  "survival of the fittest and mindless mutation enters in to do the rabbit out of the hat to progress the system to the next level. A mysterious black box that always gets it right in geological/archeological record since these stages are progressive and the countless dead ends produced due to the mindless randomness due to mutation simply do not exist in the geological/archeological record.

Reply by Alex 13 hours ago

Just because it's beyond you doesn't mean a god must of done it. The appropriate answer in this situation would be "I don't know."

And it's because of the I don't know I rely on the thousands of years of witnesses that came before me among the Jewish scribes. I trust their counsel. these were not mumblers and vagabonds in the wilderness. They, I believe were lead by" Eternal Purpose"

Or that mysterious black box between well functioning progressive stages of evolution, that gets it right on the money every time with no signs of half baked intermediates appearing in the geological/archeological record.

Why do you trust Jewish scribes over scribes of some other religion that has thousands of years of witnesses? Like Hinduism for example.

 

"Or that mysterious black box between well functioning progressive stages of evolution, that gets it right on the money every time with no signs of half baked intermediates appearing in the geological/archeological record."

 

Do you mean you want to see fossils of, say, specific organs evolving? Can you give me an example of the "black box." I don't think organs fossilize, and very few animals fossilize anyway.

 

Why do you trust Jewish scribes over scribes of some other religion that has thousands of years of witnesses? Like Hinduism for example.

Jewish scribes make the most fantastic claims and yet have very scholarly contemporaries witnessing these things,in addition to the general population of at large.

Falsehood could not pull this off for a millenium and a half with moment by moment credible witnesses.

It's unlikely for so many scribes to lie when surround by scrutiny. Moreover this a religion that you are born into. 

It would be very cruel indeed to tell your children, "have faith and take a flying leap", unless there is credibility to your claims.

 

 

Do you mean you want to see fossils of, say, specific organs evolving? Can you give me an example of the "black box." I don't think organs fossilize, and very few animals fossilize anyway.

 

There are no intermediates between well functioning species that are fully suited for their environment. Case in point, a dolphin. Where is the transition from terrestrial skin to aquatic skin, legs and arms to fins, a nostril that slowly migrated to top of the head. perfectly design skull cavities to read and interpret sonar.  hydrodynamic efficient propulsion efficiency that we barely scratch the surface at.

All of these on the scene with no transitions in the paleontological record? These are multiple well integrated systems that require deliberate engineering to design and integrate. Natural Selection and mutation would require thousands of transitionary forms and dead ends in the paleontological record.

Michael, are you so blindly ignorant that you do not see the evolutionary dead ends presented you by science?

A mysterious black box that always gets it right in geological/archeological record since these stages are progressive and the countless dead ends produced due to the mindless randomness due to mutation simply do not exist in the geological/archeological record.

Ever heard of the Neanderthal? It is a random mutation from one of our ancestors. That is, we share a common ancestor with them. The "black box of always getting it right" HAS in fact, produced evolutionary dead ends. Please refrain from using such demonstrably wrong arguments in the future.

Michael, you do realise that engineers are currently using the process of evolution to solve complex problems? I learnt about this in my second year of uni... I thought you claimed to be a mechanical engineer?

Oh , also ... please explain to me how an 'immaterial' being  can interact with a 'material' world ... but if you don't think your god is 'immaterial' but just 'supernatural' ... then your supernatural god MUST be material!  And if THAT is true , then MATERIAL things can in fact form into other things ... 

 

also , instead of just explaining how immaterial beings can interact with material worlds , please explain to me , with evidence , how material worlds ARRIVE through non material or immaterial beings that are not in themselves material in any way.  

 

It's like the color red cutting down a tree.  It literally makes no sense.  A tree is a thing , a color is a concept which is non material ... the color red can't interact with a tree in any physical sense.  

Also, if there is interaction with the material world, we would be able to detect it
Ok, let me see if I can tackle this question...

The supernatural is, to a certain degree, material... insofar as it can affect the visible, physical world. It is called "immaterial" because it cannot be understood or seen or proven through sight, touch, or smell... or any of the other five senses.

In the cases where it can become seen, touched or smelled is what could properly be called a miracle -- wherein the supernatural takes an active effect in making an "exception" to the natural laws of the universe.


Yes... I know what you might say... where is the evidence of a miracle for such a thing that I've said seem plausible.

Well, I'm Roman Catholic... and the best recorded miracles studied through science are those of Padre Pio (you'll have to research him yourself) or... the Miracle of Lanciano (It treats on the eucharist). Or at least, these are the best I can think of from the top of my head...

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