This is horribly sad event but the question must be ask: With the church doctrine that says suicide is an unredeemable sin, how do Christians deal with that fact?

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@Richmond: there is NO such thing as an unforvigable sin in the Christian faith. Trust me. His family is comforted by believing he is in heaven.

Belle, there is an unforgivable sin. I don't know if you believe in god or not, but if you do not, you are hell bound according to the christian faith.

I'm an Atheist going on 4 months RobertPiano. I just happen to know the answer so I'm trying to contibute my thoughts without being disrespectful to either side, just stating objectively...The doctrine of Grace would say that one cannot "lose salvation..." Now some branches of christianity DO believe you can weave in and out of salvation, and I believe the Catholics are like this, (not sure to be honest) But the brand that Rick Warren comes from, I assure you, they will ultimately believe their son is in heaven.

In the Catholic church suicide IS the unforgivable sin.

  Pastor Warren says he was aware of his son's depression.  That begs the question: did he pray for his son?  And if so, did God not think Warren deserving of having his prayers granted?  Not very cool of The Lord, considering how much money Rick has raised for him, and the spectacular cathedral he built for him.

   I have sympathy for anyone, including Rick Warren, who loses his child that way.  But I have no respect for him if he does not admit that God either abandoned him or doesn't exist.  My guess, though, is that he will rationalize this tragedy as God's wisdom. I despise any father who says that, because it implies his son deserved his fate.  

I noticed that the Warren family announcement talked about mental illness and getting the best medical treatment for their son but no mention of their god. If Warren's purpose driven life is part of his god's plan then why doesn't Warren thank his god for making Warren's son suffer terribly with mental illness causing so much anguish he killed himself? After all, in Warren's faith-based worldview, his son's suicide was part of his god's master plan for the Warren family. This is where Judeo-Christian belief spectacularly fails. 2000 years of Christian Apologetics still can't address the Problem of Evil and Suffering aka Theodicy. So I look forward to Pastor Warren publicly praising his loving god for killing Warren's mentally ill son unless he is a hypocrite. Hopefully this human tragedy will bring Warren to his senses and snap him out of his god delusion. It will be interesting to see how this plays out with the Warrens. 

I think there is no way on this earth that Warren will ever 'snap out' of his delusion, he is in WAY too deep.  If he is a snake oil entrepreneur then he will continue with business as usual, finding a way to milk every last cent out of the tragedy, if he is a 'true believer' his 'faith' will keep him believing.

I was wondering if the mental illness was hereditary and if embryonic research could help cure/eradicate the condition...

Guess his prayers were never answered huh? Can't call this one of "gods miracles" 


I'm curious about his condition so I'm guessing Bi-Polar Disorder.

I was thinking exactly the same thing.


archie - I cant help thinking of Charlie Sheen whenever I hear the word Bi-Polar.

Charlie Sheen said that he was Bi-Winning with his Bi-Polar IN-Order .... lol

Its not a nice disorder though. The ones with Bi-Polar blow a lot of money...

I'm just wondering if his kid had homosexual tendencies.  Can you imagine the unrelenting torment that must have been.


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