Here's a pro-LGBT baker who may be in trouble for refusing to put a...

Kind of turns that other discussion upside-down, doesn't it?

A lot of us argued then that when a baker hands out their shingle, they lose the right to turn down business.

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Totally different story between serving not serving a customer at all because of their race/class/gender/sexuality vs. not making a cake that fits within the aesthetic or style of the cake shop. But she shouldn't totally refuse to serve the customer because they are anti gay. She simply needs to find a solution for what they want to order while still fitting in with the aesthetic of her art.

Just as the other cake shop should have found a way to serve the gay couple without compromising their aesthetic (make a cake and outsource the man/man decoration on top) or suggest they order the man/man decoration and add it themselves with a list of websites that might sell them one that would deliver on time (for example) so should this woman with her problem customer. The issue with the previous case was that they wouldn't make any wedding cake for the customer because the couple was gay (that is outright agressive discrimination) ... rather than compromising their style/aesthetic/product. The discrimination is not serving someone because of their race/class/gender/sexuality rather than the style or aesthetic of their product being compromised.

The woman however should also be somewhat flexible especially if there is a lack of competition in her neighborhood. She can make the cake and then outsource the writing on the cake to someone else or sell a blank cake and then direct them to someone who will write whatever message they want. She shouldn't be forced to write any message any customer desires or be forced to create a black and blue bubblegum cake with fifty fire-breathing dragons placed on top if it isn't within the aesthetic of her product. But she should definitely serve them...and find out another solution that allows a customer to be served in some way that isn't absurdly difficult but still maintain the aesthetic of her business.

Since she made that offer...she hasn't done anything wrong.

Apparently, she made the cake and offered them what they would need to put the anti-gay slogan on themselves. She is still refusing part of the business if she does that.

She didn't outright refuse to serve them as the other shop did with the gay couple and that was what made their case discriminatory. They simply wouldn't serve the gay couple at all.

Considering she offered to make a blank cake and the tools to complete it...I honestly don't see how this case is comparable.

I admit these aren't easy scenarios and that there are a lot of questions to be answered and that there is no straightforward policy that you can give to determine at what point a business can use the excuse of compormising an aesthetic to not offer a product but I think in these two cases it's clear one was about discrimination and the other was aesthetics and she was justified in this case.

I certainly know that in the first case (with the gay wedding couple) in Spain, France and Belgium they would be heavily fined for not serving the couple and in the second case (with the anti-gay message) ... considering the efforts the woman made to serve them without compromising the aesthetics of her business ... these cases would be thrown out of court or the rights commission and the customer would be fined for bringing up a frivolous case and/or trouble making. I'm not sure I agree with the fine in the second case but I doubt many people here would have much sympathy for this customer or their religious schenanigans.

Apples to Oranges

She didn't refuse them services because they were Christians. She refused to serve a product that was not part of her menu and was discriminatory as it promoted hate speech. 

Better way to look at this

Customer A: I see you bake wedding cakes. We would like a cake for our wedding.
Business A: NO! We don't serve your kind (gays).

Customer B: I see you bake wedding cakes. I would like a cake baked.
Business B: Here's your cake.
Customer B: Now I want you to write something hateful on that cake.
Business B: NO! We don't write hateful things.

She won't serve a Christian whose religion teaches that homosexuality is a terrible sin. That's the other way to look at it.

BTW, hate speech isn't illegal in the United States.

"In the United States...(u)nder the First Amendment, newspapers and magazines can say what they like about minority groups and religions - even false, provocative or hateful things - without legal consequence."

Doesn't matter if hate speech is legal or not legal. If someone does not want to engage in hate speech, you cannot force them to. The owner has every right to refuse to write hate speeches on her product. 

She won't serve a Christian whose religion teaches that homosexuality is a terrible sin. That's the other way to look at it.

Incorrect, she did serve him, just didn't offer him additional amenities that she does not sell.

Your argument would have merit if she flat out refused to serve him after she found out that he is a Christian with anti-homosexual beliefs. That is not the case here.

For example you cannot go to a woodshop that only makes chairs and then demand they make you an entire furniture set, and if they refuse, scream discrimination. 

The owner doesn't sell hate filled icing cakes, so if that is what the customer wants, he needs to go a different store that offers him that product. The owner gave the customer exactly the product she sells.

I wonder what sort of hate speech is usually on her menu?

Presumably, she would refuse to take part in all hate speech, not just discriminate against one religion's form of hate speech.

Hate Cake

3 cups sifted flour
3 egg whites
1 cup sugar
1 verse of biblical hate

Sounds like a shitty recipe to me....I never liked cake much anyway...I'm a pie guy....

Me, too. In fact, I read somewhere that pie generally is more popular than cake.

You're in luck, Ed.  Today is National Pie Day. 

*Not to be confused with Pi Day which is March 14.


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