So here's a question. At my university, in the student cafeteria (the one that you have to go to if you live on residence) there is a halal grill. For those who don't know what that is (I didn't until about an hour ago) it's where they serve food that is acceptable to the Muslim code of conduct. They don't have a big muslim population (with the exception of the cooks) at the school and my question is, should I be offended by this? Is having something religious like this appropriate? They don't have a kosher grill, or anything for any other religions even. I'm not even sure how I feel about it, I just know I don't like it.
Does anyone think I should make a fuss about it or should I just ignore it?
At best you're playing around with semantics, at worst you're being willfully deceiving. You're making connections that don't exist.
I know what the boston massacre is, do you? Do you actually think it's relevant to this discussion? Until you can get a grasp of actual reality you will be considered little more than a troll.
False dilemma fallacy. Your arrogance is making me impatient, because it is the kind of arrogance that directly tries to oppress reason, so I will just tell it like it is. You are the kind of person who keeps the truth in any matter from becoming widespread because you assume if it doesn't instantly make sense to you then it is wrong.
Your method is an arrogant way to deal with opposing opinions. Instead of saying "that doesn't seem to connect" you jump to the irrational conclusion of "i don't see how it connects, therefore it does not". It is an irrational and inferior way to process data.
Honestly I don't see why you can't figure out the relevance. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out when I am speaking about perceived reality and use an actual historical example of a false perceived reality that ignited tensions. Situations like this are all over history. Again. Learn it. Not the massacre, jeez, don't be so dull, I am talking about the idea that perceived oppression will cause people to be just as pissed as real oppression. You perceive oppression when there is none with this ridiculous halal grill objection.
It is the same thing. You are whining about a halal grill. A bunch of people already told you to just suck it up. Suck it up, as I said multiple times, you have to make concessions for people in order to keep them from feeling oppressed. That is why pretty much everyone is telling you to suck it up.
Instead of saying "that doesn't seem to connect" you jump to the irrational conclusion of "i don't see how it connects, therefore it does not". It is an irrational and inferior way to process data.
I'm guilty of that sometimes John. I see a complicated argument, and I just switch off. I have seen some utter bullshit under the name of complicated clever philosophy. I appreciate your spelling out my fault in approaching some arguments.
I'm not sure I'm even gonna bother reading your last reply. Your inane drivel must drive your friends crazy. There are some very kind, intelligent, respectful people on here, I don't know why you're fighting to set a precedence so opposite to the norm. But just to humor you, I'm gonna send you a link which displays what's wrong with halal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQOKQ__3vQw
Watch it and then tell me I'm wrong
The moment you started being rude you screwed that all up. Then you decided to call names. Finally I told you why your position was idiocy. The tone has been all set by you.
It is a really nice double-standard though on your part to bring up my response to your attitude as being deviant. Well done.
Suck it up, man. People are allowed to eat Halal if they like.
Just for interests sake Halal on Wikipedia.
Your animal products are being slaughtered in the name of Allah....while facing a certain direction. It's great that you can sample some Arab food while learning at uni but I have to wonder if the halal food is more expensive than regular food? Are there other options available in the cafeteria?
If it is anything like the uni I went to then there will be several choices available, each serving different things. I'm sure a halal grill would of been totally welcome to join the mix and probably of done quite well.
There are several choices so I'm not too worried about it being there. Animal products being slaughtered in the name of Allah is weird to me, I suppose it's sort of the same level as kosher food though. I would imagine it's more expensive to have to go through the process. Personally I'd like to hear the reasoning for going out of the way to run this grill. It's a little strange over all
Halal and kosher food isn't typically more expensive than conventional food. Most kosher and halal foods are certified at the level of the company producing the food and the cost of certification is minimal in comparison to the cost of say complying with the FDA. At least the people who certify food as kosher or halal don't have to have their own private bathroom. For many companies why not have kosher or halal certification mark when the food you are producing is already kosher or halal? Ever checked the label on your jar of pickles? How about your box of rice and so on. Many of these foods are labeled as halal or kosher. Most of you probably ate halal or kosher food today and didn't even realize it.
That is really what it boils down to. Are the expenses of the concession appropriate for the number of people for which it is made? Does it assist with providing incentive to enroll more muslim students to get the demographics balanced? There are a number of ideas that need to be considered.
Here's another reason to avoid halal meat thanks to Edward Presswood who commented.
It shows a comparison to the regular bolt gun method used by the west and then the brutal way of killing animals for their holy halal meat. Don't watch this if you have a weak stomach, it's seriously disturbing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQOKQ__3vQw
I think it's now a moral issue for me, I don't mind eating meat, but not when an animal has to suffer like this. Is one persons religious preference enough to justify the brutal slaughter of animals like this?
My University does something similar, we have a section in our hall where each night is a different entree from various backgrounds. Crazy food that I have no idea where I would buy it from for a family dinner, let alone in bulk to feed thousands of students.
What upsets me is that my roommate suffers from Celiac disease, a conditions where she physically cannot eat gluten, bread, pasta, cereal, flour, nothing. And it wasn't until this semester; that they added a gluten-free corner for students in her position. But it's like, frozen pizza, peanut butter, and rice noodles...... that's it.
They're getting all fancy to try to appease other religions when there's students who physically cannot eat the other foods offered.