Reasons why i am a Theist
hi all
i believe Theism explains best our existence, and i believe, the God that revealed himself in the bible, is the creator of all that exists. What are my reasons to believe so ?
1. The universe had a beginning, therefore a cause. Since beyond our universe, there was no time, no space, and no matter, that cause must be timeless, beginningless, eternal, spaceless, transcendent, invisible, personal, incredibly powerful. That description fits best to the God of the bible.
2. The universe is finely tuned to permit life on our planet. Over 120 fine tune constants are know up to know, and as more time pasts, more are discovered. This might be due to chance, to physical need, or to design. Chance is a very bad explanation. Some advocate a Multiverse. But to have just one life permitting universe, you need 1 to 10^500 attempts to get it done. Thats a 1 with 500 zeros. If we put it in comparison, that in our universe, there exist around 10^80 atoms, this shows how improbable it is, that a Multiverse could explain finetuning. It could not be by physical need, since if so, why are there many planets, which are not life permitting, but our is ? So its best explained by design. Our earth/solar/moon system is a very strong evidence. Our solar system is embedded at the right position in our galaxy, neither too close, nor too far from the center of the galaxy. Its also the only location, which alouds us to explore the universe, In a other location, and we would not see more than stellar clouds. The earth has the right distance from the sun, and so has the moon from the earth. The size of the moon, and the earth, is the right one. Our planet has the needed minerals, and water. It has the right atmosphere, and a ozon protecting mantle. Jupiter attracts all asteroids , avoiding these to fall to the earth, and make life impossible. The earths magnetic field protects us from the deadly rays of the sun. The velocity of rotation of the earth is just right. And so is the axial tilt of the earth. Beside this, volcano activities, earth quakes, the size of the crust of the earth, and more over 70 different paramenters must be just right. To believe, all these are just right by chance, needs a big leap of faith. This is indeed maibe the strongest argument for theism.
3. Life. Abiogenesis has not been able to explain the existence of life on earth. Science cannot explain it. There are strong reasons to believe, a natural origin is not probable, and a bad explanation. First of all, why whould dead rocks need to evolve, to create life ? Secondly, just one living cell is more complex than the most complex machine created by man. A living cell is irreducible complex. All parts must be on place, making a gradual evolution not possible.
Even the simplest cell needs DNA , which is a information carrier. Information is always created by a mind. There i no natural mechanism known to man, to create information. Information is by essence spiritual, and not physical. There is no bridge to cross the gulf from material to spiritual. Even through millions of years of evolution. Its not possible. Add to this the moral argument, experience of miracles, the testimony of the bible, and you have a nice case of theism.
Tags: bs, circular, fallacy, reasoning
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Permalink Reply by Angelo on -
Why did an all-powerful, all-knowing being create an ETERNAL TORTURE CHAMBER and fill it with MOST of his creation? Was that THE PLAN?
http://www.remnantofgod.org/Hellfire.htm
2Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
The Almighty and ever living Creator did NOT create you to burn. He WANTS you to live! God does NOT send anyone to hell. Nor does He want to.
Jesus wants all to see salvation. It even says in His Word that the Father considers this hellfire a "strange act" that must be performed. It's strange because it is out of character for Him to do. It also states that if He has to cause grief, He does so with compassion. The Almighty wants us all to be saved from what hell is. In fact, it is written...
Ezekiel 18:32, "For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye."
John 3:36, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
And Hell is DEATH. Regardless of the fact that the Scriptures state that those that go to Hell "shall not see life," the world calls hell "eternal life" IN FIRE doesn't it? Yet the Bible says that the "wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23 -
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Permalink Reply by Cara Coleen on -
Haha... yeah, realizing we're pretty much parasites is humbling. Our poor earth host!
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Permalink Reply by Jaume on -
Well, the idea was to have Angelo admit that God is a parasite (or rather that our parasites are a collective entity we could call 'God'), but it can work the other way around too. We've been shaping landscapes and destroying ecosystems for millenia, so we have a right to claim godhood and force this planet to worship us.
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Permalink Reply by Mario Rodgers on -
The earths magnetic field protects us from the deadly rays of the sun.
Wrong. The earth's magnetic field protects. Period. We just happen to live in an era when it happens to be there doing it's job. But there will come a time when the magnetic field will fail and reverse direction.
The velocity of rotation of the earth is just right. And so is the axial tilt of the earth. Beside this, volcano activities, earth quakes, the size of the crust of the earth, and more over 70 different paramenters must be just right. Not sure where you got the "70 parameters" from, but you've got multiple logical fallacies going on here. You seem to be under the impression that life can't arise out of different planetary combinations. You also seem to be under the impression that Earth is "perfectly tuned" to life and specifically around us, a species that has only been around for a fraction of a second in geologic history. You've got it backwards. Life is tuned to what we have on Earth right now.
To believe, all these are just right by chance, needs a big leap of faith. Toss enough crap at the wall and something is bound to stick. Apparently even the universe didn't have to be here if the laws of physics governing it came about all wrong.
This is indeed maibe the strongest argument for theism. Wrong. See other posts for "deism vs theism" and "god of gaps" complaints.
Abiogenesis has not been able to explain the existence of life on earth. We find answers. We don't make them up like religion. But you're probably one of those that confuses abiogenesis with evolution anyway. I guess abiogenesis doesn't make sense to you but parthenogenesis(virgin pregnancy) DOES. All the lower lifeforms and single cell lifeforms share similar traits and show increasing complexity from the next oldest lifeform. Prokaryotic cells with un-walled nucleii. Eurkaryotic cells with walled nucleii. Slime molds that share traits of both protists and fungii. We've also traced the lineage of the individual organelles of cells(like mitochondria) to much older lifeforms. Then of course there are viruses, which aren't alive but still reproduce. All this points to the idea of a primordial state that caused complex chemicals to form life and go up in complexity from there. None of this supports the idea of a complex god that looks like a human that created something of pathetic simplicity just because he wanted to do a lab experiment out of sheer boredom. -
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Permalink Reply by Mario Rodgers on
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I don't trust a system that forces people to believe in a magical apple, a magical garden, two modern-ish looking humans that somehow just poofed themselves into existence through dust, a talking snake, and a god that is supposed to be all perfect yet created imperfect beings, supposed to be all-knowing yet didn't know Adam and Eve would betray him, supposed to be all-loving yet creates a person to be a human then blames his creation for being exactly what he made it to be and wants to blame its existence for his own screw ups and creates a realm of torture for it.
"Why should I allow that same god tell me how to raise my kids who had to drown his own?" -
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Permalink Reply by Mario Rodgers on
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The fact of the matter is that you're a huckster. You're gifted with words. I realize that, but you're using those words for fraudulent reasons. You start out looking like you're arguing the case for a deistic god. The "Universe is here, therefore Causer God" is a very deistic argument. Still just as silly as any other supernatural belief, but I can swallow deism. But that's not what is going on here. You want us to accept your particular brand of supernatural deity by swapping the universal deist concept with the abhorrent Biblical Abrahamic God concept, and you keep affirming that ONLY THIS and THIS ALONE is the source of the universe. And your evidence for your thinking is an outdated, misogynistic, and violent collection of fairy tales written by superstitious desert people.
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Permalink Reply by Mario Rodgers on
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Up next on Deal or No Deal, contestant Angelo is playing for a life free from imaginary creations of a supernatural origin and a brain free from the shackles of dogmatism and fallacious thought. The Banker has just offered him a life trapped into a comfortable world bubble where everything is made better through the power of illusion and a stifling lack of progress. Deal or No Deal?
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Permalink Reply by Mario Rodgers on
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I think a little humor is in order. I wonder if there are any good spaghetti jokes?
Mmm. Spaghetti.
I think my god is better than yours. Mine I can eat! LOL! -
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Permalink Reply by Radu Andreiu on -
Hi Angelo! I see that you think you can deduce that Yahew exists through science. I've already seen that you have no (real) evidence to support this view, but I want to ask you a simple question, even though it doesn't refute your claims (actually, you're doing a better job at refuting them than I could). So, given the fact that religiosity statistically tends to diminish with the growth of intelligence and science literacy, how is it that these people don't reach the same conclusion as you do? How come most scientists, especially the best of them, didn't draw the same conclusions as you did? 93% of the members of the US National Academy of Science don't believe in a personal god, and I don't think that the 7% who do believe are all Christians.
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Permalink Reply by Angelo on
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Hi Angelo! I see that you think you can deduce that Yahew exists through science. I've already seen that you have no (real) evidence to support this view
Actually, wrong. i know a nice number of scientific facts, which cannot be explained through natural phenomenons. Therefore it makes perfectly sense to believe, that fact point to a supernatural creator.
So, given the fact that religiosity statistically tends to diminish with the growth of intelligence and science literacy, how is it that these people don't reach the same conclusion as you do? How come most scientists, especially the best of them, didn't draw the same conclusions as you did? 93% of the members of the US National Academy of Science don't believe in a personal god, and I don't think that the 7% who do believe are all Christians.
Belief in God has not only to do with reason, but also with will. Many people simply do not want to have God in their lifes, for a variety of reasons, and therefore, whatever scientific fact points to God, is not aknowledged, not based on reason, but on emotion and will. -
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