My question is about masturbation as i find is my weakest link, specially regarding the argument that masturbating thinking in women or with images of women is degrading to them by converting them into a sex object. Argument to  which i hypocritically agree. My questions are, is this argument reasonable? are there other ways to approach that action? Is there a proper rebuttal besides the slippery-slope of "If it is not with woman, guys will start looking for pictures of animals or ..."?

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Some old school feminists wanted to relate that sort of "objectification" to rape, but really, once a guy has an orgasm, he will probably want to take a nap, not rape anyone. I worry about the guys who can't masturbate because their religion tells them masturbation is a sin and that the only outlet for their feelings is to plant seed in a woman.

Or young boys. 

Point taken.

 A proper rebuttal in my opinion would be to say, "I don't see an issue with gays masturbating to thoughts of other men, nor to images of such, no one sees gay porn as degrading men into sex objects. If a gay guy wants to masturbate to thoughts of me, I couldn't care less as long as I'm not in the room while he's doing it, I don't think this is in any way degrades the respect and friendship he shows to me, and neither do I think either my visual aids or my over-active imagination degrades the respect I hold and friendships I have forged with women."

It's hard to overestimate the extent to which old school feminism has convinced women that the default condition is that they are being victimized. Luckily, more recently, the younger feminists are reexamining that view and are drifting away from it,

Luckily indeed, I have been accused of being guilty of pretty much anything that a man ever did to a woman anywhere by these stuck up, humorless, sexist cunts. 

Any person anywhere who stands for equality has my support, though. "Yay!" for modern feminism/equalism, let's drop the baggage of the past and move forward.

If you think that equality can only be reached by ostracizing and demonizing roughly half of the earth's population you just might be a feminazi cunt, and I wouldn't piss on your ass if it were on fire.

No need to feel guilty for masturbating whatever you might fantasize about, Japanese porn is about the sickest stuff imaginable, yet Japanese rape figures are incredibly low.

Feeling guilty about your imagination is the surest way to frustration, frustration can lead to anger, which leads to hate and to suffering. Yoda was right after all. So, enjoy your body, enjoy your perverted mind and don't feel ashamed or guilty.

"A dirty mind is a joy forever!"

The original question however was about the opinions of religions and not of feminists.

I grew up in a relatively liberal country, and I know quite a few girls who watch porn, including one who regularly watches gay porn, once you remove the stigmas of religion and society, letting them make up their own minds on what they want to watch or do there really isn't too much difference between males and females.

I could say something here. But there is a new religion called "call any woman with an opinion a femnazi to shut her up"...

Since you have replied to other posts on TA, it does seem to be that this "religion" does not stop you from saying stuff. As such I think that this reply here is meant to show your frustration and anger (?) with the way in which people talk about feminism, without getting too much involved into the discussion.

Please let me be the first to say that I do not intend to group all feminists under the "feminazi" label, in fact very few of these actually exist, although they tend to be quite vocal, they are at least as far as I know a minority within the feminists. That does not stop me from sharing my anger and frustration at these people, though.

Anyway, if you feel like it, you can of course share your opinion, after all opinions are like assholes, we all have one. If you happen to disagree with people, perhaps others could learn from it. 

To me at least, at this moment, you come across as somebody who wants to say something without actually saying anything, as such you don't provide any real content to the discussion which makes it hard to engage with you in a (fruitful) talk/discussion/debate. That's a pity, since you apparently have a different opinion on the matter (?).

Also, nice strawman argument..... I'm pretty sure from reading other replies of you that you can do much better than this.

I have read through the opinions of several women on this thread and I haven't heard one called a "femnazi", although in my opinion the feminists argument on this subject died when different studies found between 30-80% of women watch porn depending on the demographics surveyed. But I'm always willing to reconsider my opinion to a well formulated argument, and I promise not to call you a femnazi...

I got halfway through the comments.... Boooring.... This dude just wants to jack off! Hey, Cesar, it's ok! You can even use my profile picture :) as you can see, the face is blank, so feel free to put any face you want there ;) it's ok to think of any woman(or man) while you do such a personal thing for yourself! The only exceptions(I know full well it is your mind, so ignore me if you want) would be family members and children. Because that's just gross. Happy stroking!

All I'm going to say to you is, masturbation is natural and harmless. You might be thinking of other women (or in my case men) while you are doing this. But really it is a one man act, it involves no one else but you and possibly some pornography (no harm in that either). 

The problem with this whole thing of saying "Well if you do that. Whats next? Masturbating to animals?"

Well basically its a copout argument. Beastility and masturbating to other adult human beings are totally unrelated. Fundamental religious persons use the same comparison on homosexuality in order to attempt to say why that isn't acceptable. Totally opposite concepts. 

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