My question is about masturbation as i find is my weakest link, specially regarding the argument that masturbating thinking in women or with images of women is degrading to them by converting them into a sex object. Argument to  which i hypocritically agree. My questions are, is this argument reasonable? are there other ways to approach that action? Is there a proper rebuttal besides the slippery-slope of "If it is not with woman, guys will start looking for pictures of animals or ..."?

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Does masturbating to these girls mean you are going to go out and randomly try to hump women without their permission?  Are you going to stop seeing women as complex human beings who also happen to be fun to have sex with?  Guessing the answers are no and no.  Sexual deviations requiring serious therapy and/or prison tend to have roots in much more complicated things than simple masturbation to pretty women in magazines.  As a woman, I'd prefer to have the right to choose whether or not to pose in a magazine and to also choose how I feel about it.  

The old school feminists used to see a relationship between porn and rape. The linguistic tool they used was the concept of so-called "objectification." However, as any woman in a sexual relationship with a man knows, after a male has an orgasm he has an annoying tendency to want to sleep. I think this might be one reason why this concept of woman-as-object came up. "Oh, he just wants to use me for sex, like I'm a human kleenex."

Arriana Huffington once quipped, "Men go to sleep (after sex) because women don't turn into pizza," but it is a lot more complicated than that. Biological science now tells is that ...during ejaculation, men release a cocktail of brain chemicals, including norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin, nitric oxide (NO), and the hormone prolactin. The release of prolactin is linked to the feeling of sexual satisfaction, and it also mediates the “recovery time” that men are well aware of—the time a guy must wait before “giving it another go.” Studies have also shown that men deficient in prolactin have faster recovery times. (source)

I love the fact that biology doesn't care about feminism or human's petty, imposed, wishful needs. It just is. 


That's the reason arms are exactly this long now.

AND why the dinosaurs went extinct- No meteor or climate change- sheer frustration. That poor T-Rex and his itty-bitty arms-  lol

Slippery-slope? One of my least favorite phrases of all time.

Pics of animals? Watch any animal show on TV (Nat Geo. Animal Planet etc...) and you can see animal porn, insect porn, bird porn. Well, it's just called nature/natural with those species. Fascinating as it is, especially in the light of evolution. It's not a turn-on in any way to humans- or it would be on Pay-Per-View.

It's only porn if it's pics/vids of humans.

Sex is better than masturbation- but not as "handy".


I honestly see no issue with a man masturbating to either visual or mental images of women. If he's heterosexual, that's what arouses him. It's natural. Why should there be a problem with that?

What of women who masturbate to mental or visual images of men? Are they, then, making sexual objects of the men they're thinking about or looking at? Is that any less right or wrong?

Don't worry about it. It really isn't hurting anyone. It's a natural thing to do, and thinking of whatever one thinks about while masturbating is just what they prefer to think about.

Some old school feminists wanted to relate that sort of "objectification" to rape, but really, once a guy has an orgasm, he will probably want to take a nap, not rape anyone. I worry about the guys who can't masturbate because their religion tells them masturbation is a sin and that the only outlet for their feelings is to plant seed in a woman.

Or young boys. 

Point taken.

 A proper rebuttal in my opinion would be to say, "I don't see an issue with gays masturbating to thoughts of other men, nor to images of such, no one sees gay porn as degrading men into sex objects. If a gay guy wants to masturbate to thoughts of me, I couldn't care less as long as I'm not in the room while he's doing it, I don't think this is in any way degrades the respect and friendship he shows to me, and neither do I think either my visual aids or my over-active imagination degrades the respect I hold and friendships I have forged with women."

It's hard to overestimate the extent to which old school feminism has convinced women that the default condition is that they are being victimized. Luckily, more recently, the younger feminists are reexamining that view and are drifting away from it,

Luckily indeed, I have been accused of being guilty of pretty much anything that a man ever did to a woman anywhere by these stuck up, humorless, sexist cunts. 

Any person anywhere who stands for equality has my support, though. "Yay!" for modern feminism/equalism, let's drop the baggage of the past and move forward.

If you think that equality can only be reached by ostracizing and demonizing roughly half of the earth's population you just might be a feminazi cunt, and I wouldn't piss on your ass if it were on fire.

No need to feel guilty for masturbating whatever you might fantasize about, Japanese porn is about the sickest stuff imaginable, yet Japanese rape figures are incredibly low.

Feeling guilty about your imagination is the surest way to frustration, frustration can lead to anger, which leads to hate and to suffering. Yoda was right after all. So, enjoy your body, enjoy your perverted mind and don't feel ashamed or guilty.

"A dirty mind is a joy forever!"

The original question however was about the opinions of religions and not of feminists.

I grew up in a relatively liberal country, and I know quite a few girls who watch porn, including one who regularly watches gay porn, once you remove the stigmas of religion and society, letting them make up their own minds on what they want to watch or do there really isn't too much difference between males and females.


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