My question is about masturbation as i find is my weakest link, specially regarding the argument that masturbating thinking in women or with images of women is degrading to them by converting them into a sex object. Argument to  which i hypocritically agree. My questions are, is this argument reasonable? are there other ways to approach that action? Is there a proper rebuttal besides the slippery-slope of "If it is not with woman, guys will start looking for pictures of animals or ..."?

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I could say something here. But there is a new religion called "call any woman with an opinion a femnazi to shut her up"...

Since you have replied to other posts on TA, it does seem to be that this "religion" does not stop you from saying stuff. As such I think that this reply here is meant to show your frustration and anger (?) with the way in which people talk about feminism, without getting too much involved into the discussion.

Please let me be the first to say that I do not intend to group all feminists under the "feminazi" label, in fact very few of these actually exist, although they tend to be quite vocal, they are at least as far as I know a minority within the feminists. That does not stop me from sharing my anger and frustration at these people, though.

Anyway, if you feel like it, you can of course share your opinion, after all opinions are like assholes, we all have one. If you happen to disagree with people, perhaps others could learn from it. 

To me at least, at this moment, you come across as somebody who wants to say something without actually saying anything, as such you don't provide any real content to the discussion which makes it hard to engage with you in a (fruitful) talk/discussion/debate. That's a pity, since you apparently have a different opinion on the matter (?).

Also, nice strawman argument..... I'm pretty sure from reading other replies of you that you can do much better than this.

I have read through the opinions of several women on this thread and I haven't heard one called a "femnazi", although in my opinion the feminists argument on this subject died when different studies found between 30-80% of women watch porn depending on the demographics surveyed. But I'm always willing to reconsider my opinion to a well formulated argument, and I promise not to call you a femnazi...

I got halfway through the comments.... Boooring.... This dude just wants to jack off! Hey, Cesar, it's ok! You can even use my profile picture :) as you can see, the face is blank, so feel free to put any face you want there ;) it's ok to think of any woman(or man) while you do such a personal thing for yourself! The only exceptions(I know full well it is your mind, so ignore me if you want) would be family members and children. Because that's just gross. Happy stroking!

All I'm going to say to you is, masturbation is natural and harmless. You might be thinking of other women (or in my case men) while you are doing this. But really it is a one man act, it involves no one else but you and possibly some pornography (no harm in that either). 

The problem with this whole thing of saying "Well if you do that. Whats next? Masturbating to animals?"

Well basically its a copout argument. Beastility and masturbating to other adult human beings are totally unrelated. Fundamental religious persons use the same comparison on homosexuality in order to attempt to say why that isn't acceptable. Totally opposite concepts. 

This whole objectification thing baffles me to start with. To those who cling to this view, please order these from best to worst:

A man masturbating to...

Fantasies or pictures of his girlfriend when she isn't physically there

Some anonymous minor pornstar performing in a porn video

Some famous pornstar performing in a porn video

Katy Perry performing in a video wearing skin-tight outfit

What are men supposed to do with their sexual feelings? Bury them and instead work on their stamp collection?

It may have something got to do with the Pro-life movement which could be motivated by a passage in the book of Genesis about wasting seed

Genesis 38:9  

"But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. So whenever he went in to his brother's wife he would waste the semen on the ground, so as not to give offspring to his brother"

It certainly is an uber-extreme version of Pro-life, but I have heard this argument before from them. 

And in answer to your question. The same thing they do with any other feeling in which contradicts their faith, they oppress it. Another of many reasons why I am against many religions. Its a danger to the mind. 

Well I am a lesbian, and I guess I am what most religously inclined Americans would consider a feminist but I have no problem with men or women thinking about me (i do have a good figure and am told a lovely bum!)as they masturbate if that is what they wish to do, as long as they keep the thoughts buried inside their head. I am certainly in no position to tell anyone not to masturbate when I consider it one of life's essentials and thoroughly enjoy the practice myself. In fact I would go so fat as to say that without it none of my four children would make it pass their toddler years, mama needs her little "unwinding habit" after they have spent the entire day day doing nothing but wind me up !

Human sexuality is amazing, sex is lovely, orgasms are good for you ( I am a physiologist, trust me they really are)so go and enjoy masturbation without guilt and never apologise for enjoying it. I never cease to amaze myself at just how enjoyable and varied the female orgasm can be, not sure you men have the same scope but perhaps that is something for another discussion.
Judith vd R.

Masturbation is normal... and often even good for your mental health.  As for fantasizing about women... that's normal too. Even having fantasies about taboo sexual acts is normal. Fantasizing doesn't turn women into sex objects. What matters is the way you treat women around you in REAL life.



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