It seems anyone who is immortal was considered a god.  The Greek Gods for example had some powers, but, not all powers.

They have always been called gods though, so, what were the minimum criteria?

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So far, it seems to be mere immortality that separates gods from mortals (Those who are NOT mortal).

That would mean that not being a mortal would make one a god.

Having at least one other power, some form of magic for example, seems to be a bonus, as they tended to, but not always, have the ability to do at least one form of magic....say, to be fast, or encourage fertility, or help win wars, or help crops grow, but, some of them....just seemed to be the progeny of other gods, as immortals had immortals....except when they impregnated/seduced a mortal...and then it was a mixed bag of results.

So, as far as the stories in the bible go, Adam and Eve were immortal until it was "revoked", all of the angels, demons, Satan, etc, seemed to be immortal.

That would mean that there was more than one god.  Even if Jesus would be with his father, as he said he would in the bible, that's two gods.  Not sure what the holy spirit is supposed to be in the pantheon...but seems a god/immortal.

Satan is definitely a god, all the angels and demons would be gods, etc.

So, if monotheistic, there could be no more than ONE god.

In the bible, the Hebrew god says to have no other gods BEFORE him, implying that he wanted to be #1, a silly requirement if its out of a roster of 1.

It sounds like you had your choice of many, and, he wanted you you to pick him.

Islam has demons, etc, too, so, that says, to me, that the big 3 monotheistic religions are not actually monotheistic at least in origin....and for the most part, not in practice either.

Praying to people who are dead to do something for you, a Saint for example, or to Jesus, unless he is not "god" polytheistic.

Believing in spirits, demons, angels, etc, is polytheistic...and no different from ancient tribes people, who also believed in these things, and are considered polytheistic.

Isn't this line of thinking akin to reading DC comics and making conclusions about Marvel storylines?

Never cross your nerd streams!

What if I WANT total annihilation though?

They had to have a cool sounding name and women could join the club as goddesses.

Indeed, the Greek gods didn't involve a logical contradiction, a definition that is self-contradictory.  They contradict what (we think) we know about nature, though.

When I state that I am confident there is no god, I refer to the self-contradictory ones like Yahweh; there's a tiny smidgen of a possibility that something like Zeus exists.

Anyone who can believe that the devils, or angels can exist, should be more than comfortable, logically, with Zeus and the other gods too.

Indeed...but it logically contradicts what they already believe.  So now that we've established that they can use logic to identify (and reject) a contradictory belief, it SHOULD be child's play to show them that Yahweh's properties contradict themselves and WHOOSH!  Either some sort of reformation of the dogma, or abandonment of it.  But, no.

I think you just need a really high sex drive.



I am a goddess

That could explain screaming "Oh, God!"

We do worship you, so that makes sense.


I guess you had to be...a God in your own opinion or in the opinion of enough Greeks to get myths spread around. You also had to be Greek in your own opinion or in the opinions of enough Greeks or at least non-Greek but extra cool enough to be taken seriously despite the non-Greekness. I guess if you didn't get past the story telling and reverence in your local Greek village...then it's hard to say you're much of a God (though probably Greek). If your stories spread and eventually you have epic poems where you endlessly interfere in petty wars carried out by pederast soldiers, or if you are a character in a long endless tragedy where creepy people talk about you in unison, or if you are illustrated in false black and white on a flower vause with a picture of your genitals showing and village maidens running away from you...then you can call yourself a God.

I don't think there is any rule. You just had to be considered a God by enough people so that you circulated. around...preferably enough so there are multiple (and contradictory) accounts of who you are, what you've done, how you can help those who chop up baby animals and spray their bloody all over an alter in your name...and just how drunk people get on your festival day. If you happen to have your existence denied by a lazy-good-for-nothing-philosopher and get him in serious trouble hopefuly to the point of're certainly a God.

The Romans made it easier IIRC, according to Seneca, etc, apotheosis was a way to be deified.

So, a politician could vote to deify his predecessor...making his predecessor a god.

It was actually a normal procedure, and, making your predecessor a god was done MOST of the time, mostly, it seems, because it meant that when YOU retire, your successor will make YOU a god.

Not a bad deal.


Also later, Christianity also liked to make men into gods: (Pasted)

The Westminster Dictionary of Christian Theology contains the following in an article titled "Deification":

Deification (Greek theosis) is for Orthodoxy the goal of every Christian. Man, according to the Bible, is 'made in the image and likeness of God.'. . . It is possible for man to become like God, to become deified, to become god by grace. This doctrine is based on many passages of both OT and NT (e.g. Ps. 82 (81).6; II Peter 1.4), and it is essentially the teaching both of St Paul, though he tends to use the language of filial adoption (cf. Rom. 8.9—17; Gal. 4.5—7), and the Fourth Gospel (cf. 17.21—23).
The language of II Peter is taken up by St Irenaeus, in his famous phrase, 'if the Word has been made man, it is so that men may be made gods' (Adv. Haer V, Pref.), and becomes the standard in Greek theology. In the fourth century, St. Athanasius repeats Irenaeus almost word for word, and in the fifth century St Cyril of Alexandria says that we shall become sons 'by participation' (Greek methexis). Deification is the central idea in the spirituality of St. Maximus the Confessor, for whom the doctrine is the corollary of the Incarnation: 'Deification, briefly, is the encompassing and fulfillment of all times and ages,' . . . and St. Symeon the New Theologian at the end of the tenth century writes, 'He who is God by nature converses with those whom he has made gods by grace, as a friend converses with his friends, face to face.' . . .
So, the monotheistic religion provides a handy pathway to polytheism.


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