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Permalink Reply by MightyMateo on January 10, 2011 at 5:06pm

You seem very angry but nothing I said was geared towards you at all. You do what you think is right for YOU. As I said, I hold hands with my family, that I love, but I do not bow my head or pray.

A lot of people do follow the Atheist movement for the reasons I stated above but I don't recall siting your name specifically. I was simply voicing my opinion on the topic, not attacking you.

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Permalink Reply by John Slanston on January 10, 2011 at 5:19pm

No, I'm not angry and I didn't respond because I felt you were attacking me, obviously. Why would I? it has nothing to do with me.

You are the one who said that your grandparents would have a heart attack if someone wouldn't hold hands at the dinner table.

OK, maybe I was also a dick for bringing it up, but anybody who behaves like that sounds like a dick to me! Don't take it personally, I don't even know you. It's not your fault that your grandparents act like dicks. They may be lovely people, but they need to grow up, in my humble opinion.

 

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Permalink Reply by MightyMateo on January 10, 2011 at 5:50pm

That's not an apology in the slightest and I'm not going to argue with you John.

Weather I knew you or not I would never insult your family, that's rude.

"OK, maybe I was also a dick for bringing it up, but anybody who behaves like that sounds like a dick to me!"  I had to point this out though, the absurdity of that statement is breathtaking.  Lol, Please stop insulting my family.

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Permalink Reply by John Slanston on January 10, 2011 at 6:27pm

You are right, I was out of order. I shouldn't have used that word. I'm sorry I offended you and your family.

I get carried away sometimes...

Sorry. Seriously.

;(

 

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Permalink Reply by MightyMateo on January 10, 2011 at 5:08pm

I don't understand why you would insult my 90+ year old grandparents either. I think your out of line, can we please keep things civil?

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Permalink Reply by John Slanston on January 10, 2011 at 5:47pm

OK, fair enough.

I guess I went over the top.

It wasn't meant as a personal insult, but I understand how it could be taken as such.

Please accept my apologies, Mateo.

I shall be more respectful in the future.

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Permalink Reply by MightyMateo on January 10, 2011 at 6:25pm

Hey, no problem man. This is a heated topic for many of us. Apology accepted :)

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Permalink Reply by John Slanston on January 10, 2011 at 6:40pm

Thanks Mateo.

Especially as I'm sure I agree with you on 99.99% of subjects!

I was just arguing with somebody on YouTube that wants to bomb Gaza back to the stone age. That's no excuse, but I was in a bad mood and I guess I took it out on you.

Thanks again. I feel like crap about it!

I'm the one feeling like (dare I say it) a real dick right about now!

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Permalink Reply by John Slanston on January 11, 2011 at 7:03am

Last night (almost certainly as a reaction to last night's fiasco) I dreamed I was with about a dozen religious people. I think they were mormons.

I held hands and prayed with them!! Well, I didn't actually pray, I held hands and went through the motions, etc... and it wasn't that bad! They knew I was an atheist. Afterwards they took me into some sort of surgery where the mother was going to give birth - and everybody was invited!! I stood there quietly and respectfully thinking it was strange, but honoured that they had invited me. I won't bore you with all the deatils but other weird stuff like that happened.

It made me think about a couple of friends' funerals I refused to attend when I was young... After all, they were dead... what difference did it make? When I got older I realized that the funeral wasn't so much for them as for the living left behind.

So... I have changed my mind, believe it or not!

I think that if you love them, it may be best to politely let them know your feelings, but just "play along". I don't know if this feeling will last, or if I will revert to my conflictive ways, but I feel I've learned something!

 

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Permalink Reply by Dustin on January 11, 2011 at 8:55am

You feelin ok , John?  

 

Or do you believe that dreams = signs?  : P 

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Permalink Reply by John Slanston on January 11, 2011 at 9:09am

haha!

I know... It's crazy!

No, I certainly don't believe that dreams are signs and think that (most) dream interpretations are absolute nonsense - apart from obvious, and sometimes not so obvious associations with waking expreiences.

However, I did go to bed feeling bad about what I had said and I certainly had a guilty conscience. 

So maybe it was my subconscious telling me to calm down a bit, or something!

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Permalink Reply by Dustin on January 10, 2011 at 6:29pm

wow!

 

You really mean that?  They don't pray before dinner just because it's at your place?  

 

I would say something like "If any of you wish to observe a moment of silence and thank your God for anything as a family, please take a moment"

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