Take a good hard look into the life of new pope. To give an overview he thinks that:

Homosexuality is still a sin. He tells people to respect homosexuals, but whent the Argintinian government is going to make sam-sex marriage legal he says, "Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."

During his early life he gave up all his fancy posetions (personal cook, facy place to live, chauffeured limo) and made a pledge of poverty. This sounds awefully noble right? Wrong, look at why he had those things to start out with (because he was a cardinal). Think about what the Bible verson of Jesus would have done. He probably wouldn't have even considered giving those things out to preachers of his word anyway. So denying riches should be something that cardinals and popes HAVE to do an shouldn't be praised for. By the way, the pledge of poverty meant that he just had to live like everyone else in the community (what a saint -- sarcasm)

Lastly, there was a criminal complaint filed against him by a human rights lawyer for the abduction of two Jesuit priests. However, there was no evidence to prove that he had anything to do with it. :)

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No, it does not go at in 'most youth work'.  I know you Catholic glory hole types think ass raping children is normal - but it is not.

Occasionally coworkers or even a manager somewhere has not wanted to deal with the awkwardness of confronting a pedophile - but Penn Fucking State didn't set up a retreat for hundreds upon hundreds of pedophiles, running it for over 60 years, returning them to service with youth after they said they were 'wary wary sawwy' to the invisible man in the sky! Give your head a shake.

Oh well, have a nice time, I hope your new pope works out for you.  Good luck with all that.

Never before have I encountered an apologist who defends sheltering pedophiles. I hope you don't teach ethics!

There is no "Institution of American higher education", but there definitely is a Penn State and it was punished, at least, by the NCAA which found problems with the culture of the athletic department itself, as outlined in the Freeh report. A "few senior members" can have a wide and deep effect on an institution's culture that infects many within the organization.

I would agree with that.  Leadership matters a great deal in human social structures.  That's why I think this leadership choice is an interesting one.  In many ways, he was the better choice 8 years ago as well, to my mind.

In many ways, he was the better choice

Because this one said that gays adopting children is a discrimination against children? Or because the last one shielded child rapists?

Either way, brilliant people you got there to lead you.

You all need to slow your rolls. He isn't defending raping children, please try to read what each other has to say more carefully before jumping the gun to insult one another. You don't have to agree, but be civil.

Maybe you should read what he is saying:

"That is sadly enough a common occurrence in most youth work..."

This is the standard line Catholics have been taking for a while - that this is a secular problem that occurs everywhere.  John the Rat even went so far as to suggest that western culture no longer found child pornography objectionable and then suggested that the church was only taking 'our' lead.

If he wants to suggest that all schools, summer camps, and youth programs are riddled with buggery then he either needs to back that up with some empirical evidence or expect to be called sick and twisted for thinking that ass raping children is normal.

Well I need you to cite some evidence for me. Where did Robert say "ass raping children is normal", or "sexual abuse is normal"? All he said was that it happens.

Define normal, please.

Something that happens in most instances is considered the norm - or normal.  He seems to think sexual abuse and systematic cover-ups are the norm.  My language may be inciting, but the point remains the same.  He euphemises and I dysphemise for balance.

You are taking him out of context. If you wana go that rout, fine, lets look at statistics.
FACT: 207,754 people are sexually assaulted in the US every year and 54% of sexual assaults go unreported to the police. 44% of the 207,754 REPORTED cases are under 18.
So this is clearly not just a church thing. 91,412 kids don't all get raped in churches, so this does happen with some degree of frequency.


Apples and oranges.  You have not even addressed where these children are abused.  Are you insinuating all these cases of abuse happen in institutions that have garnered a position of trust with the families - like schools, youth groups, sports teams, etc?

It's been my experience that most sexual molestations are perpetrated by someone who has gained the trust of the family, either by being a member of the family or inserting themselves into the family relationship (counselors, clergy, medical professionals).

It seems to me that you are the one removing the context of what he said.  Please actually pay attention to what is said before you tell other people to do so.


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