Pope Francis, Another Zealot?
Homosexuality is still a sin. He tells people to respect homosexuals, but whent the Argintinian government is going to make sam-sex marriage legal he says, "Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."
During his early life he gave up all his fancy posetions (personal cook, facy place to live, chauffeured limo) and made a pledge of poverty. This sounds awefully noble right? Wrong, look at why he had those things to start out with (because he was a cardinal). Think about what the Bible verson of Jesus would have done. He probably wouldn't have even considered giving those things out to preachers of his word anyway. So denying riches should be something that cardinals and popes HAVE to do an shouldn't be praised for. By the way, the pledge of poverty meant that he just had to live like everyone else in the community (what a saint -- sarcasm)
Lastly, there was a criminal complaint filed against him by a human rights lawyer for the abduction of two Jesuit priests. However, there was no evidence to prove that he had anything to do with it. :)
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on -
RE: "We're the ones that wrote and compiled the Bible" - not really, Prof., the Bible was written by dozens of different people over a 1,000-year time period, partly in Hebrew and the latter part in Aramaic and finally, the NT in Greek, the lingua Franca of the day. Then the WHOLE thing was translated into Greek, and only then, into Latin, so I really don't believe your Papa-come-lately's can take credit for anything but the tail end of that process.
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Permalink Reply by SteveInCO on -
The Septuagint (LXX), a Greek translation of the Old Testament that was widely used in the Roman Empire, and was (I believe) used as a source for the King James Bible, actually predates the new testament. (Perhaps you are thinking of a later translation.)
It was, in fact, Matthew's source when he claimed Jesus fulfilled the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy of being born of a virgin. The Hebrew has almah (young woman) [and by the way the context makes it clear Isaiah was prophesying that he himself would knock the chick up--unimpressive as prophecy but somewhat more as PUA/"game"], the Septuagint rendered it as parthenos (virgin) and voila! A Greek who probably didn't know any Hebrew authoritatively quotes a prophecy that was never actually made, and claims Jesus fulfilled it!
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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I'm not familiar with Septuagint LXX, but the original Septuagint, created on the coast outside of Alexandria, was done by 72 Jewish priests, interviewed extensively and selected from among hundreds for their proficiency in both Hebrew and Greek - and BTW, it was accomplished in, you guessed it, 72 days - what is this Middle-Eastern preoccupation with 72?
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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on -
It was based on their love of 12 - a highly composite number, having 1,2,3, and 4 as factors. Base 12 numbering systems totally rock as well, with terminating 'decimals' for 1/4,1/3,1/2, 2/3, and 3/4 being 0.3, 0.4, 0.6, 0.8, 0.9!
In base 10, numerology seems to love numbers composed of digits that add up to 9 - that's as much 'power' as you can get because once you hit 10 you get 1 + 0 = 1, as little 'power' as you can have.
So although 60 was popular because it has 1,2,3,4,5, and 6 as factors, 72 added up to 9 and was considered more 'lucky' while still having 1,2,3,4,6,8, and 9 as factors.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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That's easy for YOU to say --!
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Permalink Reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on -
Not fundamentalists - Jesus Wept. Try living here in Ireland.
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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on -
@ Professor Robert:
"There's no "enforcement". God and the universe are what they are, and people always have free will to be ignorant, whether it's about climate change or sexual morality. All churches try to do is teach what is right."
This is your policy? You learn something new every day. So - why should Christians behave in a moral fashion?
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Permalink Reply by Professor Robert on -
Why should atheists behave in a moral fashion, or choose not to be ignorant?
The same reasons.
We learn from our parents and our communities. Hopefully we have good parents and good communities from whom we learn to make good choices and to continue to try to grow and improve ourselves. The Church strives to be one such community.
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Permalink Reply by kOrsan on -
Why should atheists behave in a moral fashion, or choose not to be ignorant?
Because we don't have a god in the sky telling us to pillage innocent, kill infidels, discriminate against homosexuals and hate women.
Believe it or not, that helps a great deal in being a moral person.
We also don't have a god to conveniently justify our evils for us.
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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on
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@Professor Roberts: Fair enough. You answered me. Thanks. Now it means that Christians can stop saying that atheists must be immoral people.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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As did the Davidians --
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Permalink Reply by kOrsan on
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There's no "enforcement". God and the universe are what they are, and people always have free will to be ignorant
I'll find you, and set your house on fire while your family is asleep, unless you convert to my religion, kOrsanity, right away.
There, no enforcement, just free will.
And that's bullshit. It's enforcement. It's holding people at gunpoint with hell. It's an ultimatum. It's a threat.
You're incredibly dishonest. Listen and learn:
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