Take a good hard look into the life of new pope. To give an overview he thinks that:

Homosexuality is still a sin. He tells people to respect homosexuals, but whent the Argintinian government is going to make sam-sex marriage legal he says, "Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."

During his early life he gave up all his fancy posetions (personal cook, facy place to live, chauffeured limo) and made a pledge of poverty. This sounds awefully noble right? Wrong, look at why he had those things to start out with (because he was a cardinal). Think about what the Bible verson of Jesus would have done. He probably wouldn't have even considered giving those things out to preachers of his word anyway. So denying riches should be something that cardinals and popes HAVE to do an shouldn't be praised for. By the way, the pledge of poverty meant that he just had to live like everyone else in the community (what a saint -- sarcasm)

Lastly, there was a criminal complaint filed against him by a human rights lawyer for the abduction of two Jesuit priests. However, there was no evidence to prove that he had anything to do with it. :)

Please leave your thoughts and comments on the new pope

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No Prof, you're not unwelcome at all.  It's kind of interesting to hear from the occasional polite theist, as long as you aren't taking offense at posts in response to yourself.

Single names are just fine: Strega, archaeopteryx, Yahweh, Unseen.

Dr. Bob - I know what you mean, when I filled mine out, I put, "arche"/"opteryx"

Please don't tell me you're so thin-skinned you're going to let a couple of rude comments run you off the board - that would be like allowing students' comments to run you off the campus! If Unseen felt that way, I'd have run him off long ago, fortunately, he didn't, and I still have a playmate to harass when I get bored.

I believe your contributions are valuable. Whether I agree with all of them or not, they are at least thought-provoking and challenging - now you have positive comments counterbalancing any negative ones, so now that the balance is restored, the only issue in question is your preference.

Nicely said, Arch.

I have my occasional lucid moments --

Yes. Don't go. You're not an intrusion AT ALL. It's refreshing to hear from a theist who doesn't claim the ability to prove God exists using science (although there have multiple hints at God "revealing Himself through science" - which I wouldn't mind hearing more about).

I don’t think “molestation” is the best word to explain the behaviour of hundreds of Catholic priests or monks. I think “child rape” is more accurate.  What exactly is the difference between a regular Catholic and a Fundamentalist Catholic? Is it their degree of submission to their leader?

I think it depends what it consists of. If it is just mussing the hair in a lascivious and lecherous way it can bear being described as molestation. If it's rogering the bum of some boy or girl, that's definitely rape.

'Molestation' might be fair. While 'child rape' is likely the most severe offense, the allegations against clergy cover pretty broad territory. A priest who fondles a fifteen-year-old is in the wrong, but is that really pedophilia or rape?

Yes, I agree to a point. However any time I hear a Catholic speak they never speak of the worst of what was done by the clergy. They tone down their wording and speak of the Church going through “challenging times”. The Catholic Church still has a problem facing up to its responsibilities and needs to go a lot further to make amends. It took long enough to get the institution to accept that what hundreds of it clergy did to young children was accountable to Criminal Law as opposed to its own Canon Law.

Hands up those who think the Catholic Church has made contrition for its crimes and put in place procedures to ensure it less likely to happen again. I don’t. I openly accuse it of crimes against humanity. I am not interested in any mealy mouthed apologies from them or by any rationalisations from any of the flock that seek their salvation through them. So I will accept that it is not always "child rape". Sometimes it is just "child abuse".

Reg, they didn't admit until 1998, that they'd maybe made a mistake about Galileo, I would look to a similar time frame for any further admissions. Of course, in another 400 years, such admissions will be irrelevant, as it will no longer exist.

Government should never have been involved in marriages between two people. Politics and religion dont mix. Marriage is a religious aspect that government implemented to be able to know who was with who, when and where. It was a form of control. Being homosexual is a sin yes, but so is lying, cheating, killing. It falls under the same category, there is no worse sin over another they are all the same. 

Religious and Atheists know that man on man sexual intercourse is not a sickness but a personal choice and thats how it should be treated. The problem with government getting involved in marriage is that married couples get benefits and perks which leaves gay couples out. Homosexual couples should not be excluded from any benefits available to everyone else funded by the government but churches should be allowed to exclude these types of marriages from their churches as a union between a male and female is sacred to religion.


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