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Permalink Reply by Dr. Bob on March 14, 2013 at 5:40pm

My religion does all kinds of silly things.  It's not a person, though, so it has no mind to change.

Catholicism never denied evolution to my knowledge.  Do you have a citation on that?  I'd be curious.  I think you're confusing us with the fundamentalists.

Copernicus of course was a Catholic priest, and now our pope is a former chemistry teacher. 

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Permalink Reply by kOrsan on March 14, 2013 at 5:45pm

And now your pope is an openly bigoted homophobe who sticks his nose in uteri it doesn't belong :)

Are you proud of this?

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Permalink Reply by MikeLong on March 14, 2013 at 3:37pm

@Sam Redmon

It's bad enough that you throw around shit like this:

"There was no evidence to support he had anything to do with it, but these accusations don't come from nowhere."

...but then to accuse others with

"start throwing around offensive accusations like that you commit a fallacy known as Circumstantial ad Hominen"

What's Latin for double standard?

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Permalink Reply by Real Life James Bond on March 14, 2013 at 4:03pm

By "they don't come from nowhere" I mean there must have been something to the accusation, unless the lawyer was completely full of shit (which I don't think he was) no one has given anything to say the he did or didn't have anything to do with so the question is open ended. It's just a fact that if someone is going to the trouble to file a criminal complaint against another person they must have some reason, that's just a fact.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on March 14, 2013 at 4:24pm

And the 'fact' could be that they harbour a grudge against that person for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with the alleged assault.  Perhaps a spurned romantic advance, perhaps being overlooked for a promotion, or perhaps just a wild fantasy.

As someone putting yourself forward as policing the intellectual honesty of this discussion I think you ought to take a closer look at the intellectual integrity of your obvious bias.

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Permalink Reply by MikeLong on March 14, 2013 at 4:31pm

What complete and utter BULLSHIT. Please look up the term, "due process". 

No it is NOT "open ended". If a charge is brought, the accused must be PROVED guilty or he/she is INNOCENT. That's a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT!

By your standard anyone can "go through the trouble" of filing a complaint and completely ruin someone's life because idiots like you ASSUME "there must be something to it" just because an accusation is made. If that's your definition of "fact", a whole lot of assumptions can be made about your thought processes. Are you a theist troll? (A reasonable assumption considering the way you think.)

Meanwhile we'll just go ahead and assume you are a theist troll. The question has been raised. There must be something to it, right? The question is open ended, right? Your denials are irrelevant. The assumption has been made. We'll just go ahead and roll with that.

FACT: Sam Redmon is a a theist troll.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on March 14, 2013 at 4:35pm

I don't know what sort of evidence there is that Sam Redmon is a theist troll, but these sorts of accusations don't come from nowhere, right?

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Permalink Reply by Real Life James Bond on March 14, 2013 at 4:45pm

You could make that claim and a pretty convincing argument for it. I am not a theist, but I see where you're coming from.
@Mike if you're talking about the US criminal justice system, I'm sorry to say that is a flawed system. Hundreds of innocent people go to jail all the time, meaning that for every innocent person in jail there is at least 1 criminal free. So innocent until proven guilty is not the best way to go. And yes false accusations can ruin someone's life, but prove to me that this was a false accusation and ill side with you.
No one has even tried to defend the pope with any evidence, show me evidence of his guilt, or innocence, and nobody has given either one (I know I haven't either so don't try that one).
Show me he is innocent without a doubt.

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Permalink Reply by MikeLong on March 14, 2013 at 4:54pm

Sorry, I thought you were trolling. I figured you'd say, "got me". But no, you "honestly" don't accept (nor understand) the basic tenet of civilized legal systems. You want "guilty until proven innocent", eh? What more can I say?

Sorry I misjudged you. Please say a prayer for me.

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Permalink Reply by Real Life James Bond on March 14, 2013 at 5:03pm

Lol, still not a theist, you could probably deduce that from this post of mine, previous posts, my blog, or various other sources. That's beside the matter though. Look at the flaws of civilized legal system and you'll realize that it's not all it cut out to be.
However, @Kris I can see your point, and should probably have revised my post a little.
I didn't set out to offend anyone, my sincerest apologies if I have.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 14, 2013 at 7:54pm

Sam, I have no personal bone to pick with you, so this is simply FYI - I lived in Mexico for several years, and under the Mexican "justice" system, a person accused of a crime is guilty - why else would he be arrested? - until he or she proves himself innocent, and in Mexican jails, if you want to eat, you need to buy your own food. It doesn't take much time in a Mexican jail, which is not all the fun it's cracked up to be, to appreciate the American "innocent until proven guilty" system - and on this side of the Rio, the food is free.

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Permalink Reply by Real Life James Bond on March 14, 2013 at 8:04pm

Thank you for your insight. I agree, a guilty until proven innocent system is much worse than innocent until proven guilty. I think we have a good system in comparison, but should be revised so as so many innocent people aren't getting put away.
And as for the food, tax payers pay for that here

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