An unfortunate claim by a Christian apologist and theologian John Lennox is that "atheism and communism is inseparable" 

Let me be very clear here, I do not share his views on this matter. Personally I find this to be an argument based on sheer ignorance. However I would like to get an honest consensus on this issue, I've posted a similar poll over on Yahoo Answers some time ago. 

Please tell me if you support communism or not and what your views on this political movement are. I suspect most of you will probably consider yourselves as secular and not communist (as most atheists in the Westernised world tend to be)

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"Pure ideas" is an idiotic concept outside of mathematics, and especially within the realm of how to govern society. There is communism as practiced by humans, and of that we have many examples, and that's the only one that actually exists.

Communism hating christians is much more of an American thing than a thing overall. It's quite common around these parts of severely left leaning priests and bishops.  

It's a little pie-in-the-sky; a utopian dream.

Communism is dysfunctional on several levels, as you indicated. People, by their nature, will try to do as little and get as much as they can. The proof has been, in terms of where it's been tried—in Russia and China and elsewhere—that once people get into positions of power in these countries, they have cynically tended to work the system on their behalf to gain power and wealth.

The starry-eyed believers will tend to say, "Yeah, but those aren't true Communism." My reply is that they started out trying to be, but then reality set in.

Capitalists have done the same thing here, but nobody can say they aren't REAL capitalists.

You can say that capitalism is the system that doesn't fool itself about human nature.

Communism is merely a secular religion, much like all dogmatic ideologies. 

A religion cannot really be secular. But it is a state religion.

Think what you are saying. Dialectical Materialism is as far from religion as you can get. I don't worship Marx or Engels i just respect their ideas. the cult of the individual should always be resisted and fought against. 

Secular religion is a term which is used to describe belief systems that have the trappings of religion without necessarily taking a position on a higher power. Football is usually claimed as another example, and even atheism can be made into a secular religion.

I have a number of socialistic leanings, but I'm not a communist. Sometimes I wish I was as it cracks me up how some people treat it like a swear word, but philosophically it just doesn't happen to be the case.

communism: root word commune.

  1. 1.
    a group of people living together and sharing possessions and responsibilities.
    synonyms: collectivecooperative, communal settlement, kibbutz
    "she lives in a commune"

    Unfortunately, as others have noted, human nature (including laziness, sloth, greed) makes implementation of such a state/condition hardly possible outside of small groups. 

I support the idea of one world and one species having stewardship and doing a great job making it a perfect place for all the species that exist on it.  But the beavers didn't want the job, so we're left with humans a really bad choice.

WHOOOOOH!  Guys, let's check out the founding docs of communism - the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx.  Here tiz:

Anything else is just a spin.  The two critical rules of critical thinking are 1. Define your terms  2. Reveal your sources.  That way you don't look arrogant because you're not puking out, and subsequently having to defend, your opinion and you'll become well respected by your peers - and perhaps even, heaven forbid, by a few Christians.


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