hi just going to point out that the pledge of allegiance was added in the seventies and can be changed. and i want your views on that

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Fascinating!  Dogs and Sailors--how insulting.

Yea according to wikipedia,


On March 11, 2010, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance in the case of Newdow vs Rio Linda Union School District.[28][29]In a 2-1 decision, the appellate court ruled that the words were of a "ceremonial and patriotic nature" and did not constitute an establishment of religion.[28] Judge Stephen Reinhardt dissented, writing that "the state-directed, teacher-led daily recitation in public schools of the amended 'under God' version of the Pledge of Allegiance... violates the Establishment Clause of the Constitution." [30]

On November 12, 2010, in a unanimous decision,[31] the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in Boston affirmed a ruling by a New Hampshire lower federal court which found that the pledge's reference to God doesn't violate students' rights"


So pretty much they don't find it unconstitutional. I find it bullshit. Seriously this country needs to fix things like this that refer to religion. I don't know what else we can do since the supreme court already has ruled on it multiple times. Guess we're gonna have to just keep appealing and re-appealing. 


I agree on Keith's^ idea that says marking out 'god' on dollar bills silently. It spreads a message. Even though it is against the law to do this it isn't hard to avoid getting caught honestly. 

My parents found out that I was using a stamp that marked "unconstitutional" or something over "in god we trust" and flipped out. I haven't been doing that since.
Actually, it is not against the law.  It is unlawful to make money unusable.  Marking out "god" does not make the bills unusable as currency.  Therefore, it is completely legal to do so.

I pledge of allegiance 

To the flag

Of the United Christians of America

And to the Theocracy

For which it stands

One nation
Under an evil celestial dictator

Highly Divided

With Liberty and Justice

for Christians only



I don't like the pledge 

The pledge of allegiance with the addition of "under god" is the most completely and obviously un-Constitutional law imaginable--short of the actual adoption of an established religion.



Okay, you do realize that it isn't actually a "law", right?  And there is no law that says you have to say any given part or, in fact, any of it, right? 


Don't get me wrong.  I think it's a perfect example of xians shoving their religion down everyone's throats and, if it actually WHERE a law, I would gladly go to jail rather than say it.  But I just wanted to point out that it is not, in fact, an unconstitutional "law".

It was adopted as the official pledge of allegiance by Congress and signed into LAW by President Dwight D. Eisenhower, whose signing statement indicated that he clearly knew and approved of its intent to adopt a governmental stance on religion.


This LAW can be found in section 1 of title 4 of the U.S. Code.  http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/4/4.html


A law needn't require everyone to do something to be a law.  And, in fact, the Supreme Court recognized in 1943 that it was un-Constitutional to require students to pledge allegiance to the flag.


Furthermore, it is un-Constitutional for our Government to take any action "respecting the establishment of religion"--meaning tending to establish a religion as the official religion of the U.S.  That includes an act of Congress that identifies our nation as having an official religious viewpoint.  The notion that our nation is "under god" is not only an official religious viewpoint, it can only mean in this context that our nation is subservient to god.

I stand (or actually, I'm sitting right now ;) corrected.  My apologies.


However, just to clarify, the code you noted is specific to military personnel, not civilians.  To be honest, I don't think it is unconstitutional to require military personnel to pledge allegiance.  Plus, the code you mentioned is specific to how military personnel are to say the pledge, which is what military code is all about.

Military personnel shouldn't have to forfeit their freedom of religion in pledging their alleigance to the nation.

Yep - "...one nation, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for all!"

So here's an unusual angle. I didn't know that the pledge had "Under God" in it. We said it every morning in grade school and it went "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all". I didn't know that the pledge I said every morning  was any different until I moved to Alabama..


Of course, they jump at any excuse to say 'God' here. :/


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