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Permalink Reply by Ceci on January 2, 2012 at 7:29am

our universe is the evidence, namely the "alternative scenario" you are
asking for.

Permalink Reply by Wesley on January 7, 2012 at 1:03am

OR....you are leaving out an important possibility....   that the universe has a cause that is non sentient and doesn't bear any resemblance to any kind of human conception of a 'creator' or 'god'.

 

Permalink Reply by Scott A. Hunt on December 26, 2011 at 2:44pm

I'm still hopeful. Atheism grows every year. I'd even be happy with just a bunch of deists so long as they aren't pushing their beliefs on the rest of us.

Permalink Reply by Angelo on December 26, 2011 at 3:03pm

I'm still hopeful. Atheism grows every year.

So do all kind of religions. So what ?

Permalink Reply by Teri G on December 27, 2011 at 3:09am

Atheism is growing a lot faster.. It is now the 3rd biggest religious (really non-religious) group, where it used to be next to non-existant.

Permalink Reply by erik112358 on December 27, 2011 at 8:12am

So do all kind of religions. So what ?

So what?

Permalink Reply by Ceci on January 2, 2012 at 7:33am

so this means that the more people are learning to think,
 the more other people are getting angry about it.

Permalink Reply by justin gold on January 19, 2012 at 4:26am

Do you live in America by any chance Scott.

Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on January 19, 2012 at 11:53am

David, RE: "indoctrination and thousands of years of rationalization"

Don't forget peer pressure, that plays an incredibly significant part.

pax vobiscum,
archaeopteryx
www.in-His-own-image.com

Permalink Reply by Jason Paisley on December 26, 2011 at 10:53am

My best argument for strong atheism is this simple argument against strong belief. I have come across many Christians for example who claim that Christianity isn't just a belief. They say it is the truth, it is presented as fact so i offer this..

"Faith does not equal knowing. Faith equals believing. It's paradoxical to say you accept the bible on faith which is a belief despite evidence yet say you know it to be the truth. To know something as fact requires that you have strong evidence and the Bible simply does not fit the bill as strong evidence. It cannot be tested as such nor do many of it's claims stand up to what we actually do know via hard evidence and hard fought knowledge. To say the bible is truth is to ignore it's many mistakes or deny them or to claim they too are fact or you must accept the fact that this little book is not ultimate truth."

I put that in quotes because i came up with it and am posting it in a blog i do about being atheist in the Southeastern United States. 

Permalink Reply by Angelo on December 26, 2011 at 11:37am

It cannot be tested as such nor do many of it's claims stand up to what we actually do know via hard evidence and hard fought knowledge. 

So what hard evidence is that  convinces you, the universe for example does not need a cause, or that it exists by its own forever ? 

Permalink Reply by erik112358 on December 27, 2011 at 8:22am

Within the context of true strong atheism, the "evidence" would be a complete lack of positive evidence to support the existence of any god.  The possibility that a god exists is so unlikely, it might as well be dismissed in the same way we dismiss the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or a teacup in orbit around Mars.

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