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Permalink Reply by Kir Komrik on January 11, 2012 at 12:29pm

Hey Michael,

 

Yep, it *is* very similar. It's hard to read it not walking away convinced these narratives were shared. We see similar things in the corpus we call today the "Book of the Dead" and Proverbs. Amazing! It seems a tall order to think these syncopes didn't come from the same author/s; and I'm not talking about the Author of All Things, either.

 

- kk

Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on January 11, 2012 at 2:03pm

Yes, Michael, but written 300-500 years earlier - who would you suspect copied from whom?

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Permalink Reply by cameron penney on January 10, 2012 at 11:45pm

A few other reasons that I am not religious are that I do not condone violence, sexism, racism, genocide to name a few. The Bible has all this and much more.

Permalink Reply by Angelo on January 10, 2012 at 11:54pm

have you read the bible to possibly know ?

Permalink Reply by Kir Komrik on January 11, 2012 at 12:18am

Hey Angelo,

 

I've read the Roman and Orthodox Canon, the Apocrypha, the Pseudopigrapha and several different protestant translations; from the NASB to the Message. I've also read compilations of scripture in the form of the Tanakh and I have read the Quran. All of these I have read several times. From what I recall they are all chock full of barbaric violence, sexism, racism and genocide; to name a few. I would also note that they are loaded with bizarre, delusional and fantastical stories that I could easily tell were make-believe by the time I was 12 years old. I realize that many adherents are emotionally attached to these stories and I do not mean any disrespect, I'm just telling you how I reacted to it.

 

I know others will read things differently, and I will grant you that the degree softens in the NT, but I think the statement made is fairly representative of the corpus literally and in terms of the motif it paints.

 

- kk

Permalink Reply by Angelo on January 11, 2012 at 6:31am

From what I recall they are all chock full of barbaric violence, sexism, racism and genocide; to name a few.

Based on that, you conclude, most probably God does not exist ?!!!

What a argument......

Permalink Reply by James on January 11, 2012 at 9:28pm

From my experience, atheist's don't tend to use the ugliness of the Bible to conclude that there is no god. Such a conclusion isn't a logical conclusion to that context. Existence can't be weighed solely on reported character.  However, we do bring that up to those that claim that the Bible is morally perfect, or that you can't be moral without religion.

Permalink Reply by Angelo on January 11, 2012 at 11:06pm

However, we do bring that up to those that claim that the Bible is morally perfect, or that you can't be moral without religion.

So then, please explain, why there is morality, and how someone can be moral  and set a objective standard, if God does not exist. 

Permalink Reply by James on January 11, 2012 at 11:32pm

It's actually not hard to explain morality without a god. Before I or anyone else bothers answering your question, may I ask if you are even open to hearing and considering a god-free explanation?

Also, don't you at least admit that the Bible isn't 100% morally perfect?

Permalink Reply by Angelo on January 11, 2012 at 11:40pm

It's actually not hard to explain morality without a god. Before I or anyone else bothers answering your question, may I ask if you are even open to hearing and considering a god-free explanation?

of course. thats what i am asking for. go ahead.....

Also, don't you at least admit that the Bible isn't 100% morally perfect?

I believe God is morally perfect. And so his word, and his commands are. 

Permalink Reply by Kir Komrik on January 12, 2012 at 12:57am

Hey Angelo,

 

Of course not. Your "morality" is just as subjective as anyone's. Your "god's morality" is no different than an alien's morality, just another opinion. What makes you think your "god's morality" is objective???

 

- kk

Permalink Reply by Wintershade3001 on January 14, 2012 at 7:02am

What makes you think your "god's morality" is objective???

Because he afraid that, if he thinks otherwise, his "god" will torture hima and kill him. That's what his "holy scripture" says.

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