So read a post today that makes me furious. I will post link. fair warning its not pretty nor is it something for tender hearted people.

 What are your views on animal rights groups and their responsibility to life and health of animals? What do you think should be done in regards to such things? 

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Could be. I honestly haven't thought that much about where they come from. That sounds like something I don't believe, but I don't have any good reason to argue it at the moment. (I'd post more, but the library is closing and I don't have internet at home at the moment.)

@Unseen.  What, in your opinion, is a 'right'?  I might be about to agree with you, but I want to be clear about your (not Websters) definition first.

At its most fundamental, a right is the ability to do something with legitimacy, which is conferred legislatively (by a law or regulation, or by a constitution).

Without a governmental authority, you don't need rights. You just do what you're going to do and if someone wants to prevent you from doing it, then you're in conflict. This is why we legislate rights: in order to impose some structure on human actions to provide for settling conflicts.

Like many important concepts, it's not entirely that simple because rights can conflict. Good legislators attempt to foresee such potential conflicts and account for them. When the answer isn't clear, a good legislature has provided for conflict resolution through adjudication or negotiation or arbitration, the result of such proceedings being final (in the end, if there's an appeals process).

That's the off-the-cuff answer you wanted. 

@Unseen. My initial thoughts, which may change without notice, are that rights are a lot like morality. Christians claim rights are "endowed by the Creator" just like right and wrong comes from the cosmic lawgiver. There can be "rights" without God just like there can be "right" without god.

Or more specifically, it seems like there are rights that people should have. Since I think we'd all agree that slavery is wrong or burning people for heresy is wrong, then we can all say the right to be free and the right to worship as you choose are good. Therefore, rights feel like morality, in a way, so my brain didn't quite wrap around what you said about rights being legislated, not natural.

I think it's true there are rights I want people to have, and we should legislate them. I don't like slavery or burning people at the stake, but that's today. It was acceptable in other times. Perhaps we've evolved since then and we feel we're better from the perspective of today but the notion that such beliefs are relative to the culture of a time and place is pretty hard to escape.

I agree

I should not have just looked at that. I'm in the middle of a public library about to cry. I don't know enough about the subject to comment in any meaningful way, but I'll just say I'm an animal lover (all animals) and it breaks my heart to see animals treated that way. I have no answers. I don't know about the subject that much, but it is good that you posted this discussion if nothing else to raise awareness...I think I'm going to go cry in my car.

I believe in animal rights, why just today I asked my hamburger if it wanted to be smothered in mustard or ketchup.

It picked ketchup and it was delicious.

Whenever I hear or read anything about or by PETA, I get this irresistible urge to eat some veal.

PETA is an awful organization.

They kill most of the animals that they "liberate" because sometimes it is "the only kind option."

They support violence and terrorism. They fund people who like to blow up testing labs.

Listen to some of the things that the PETA people say. "Total animal liberation." Try that one on for size.

I got "PETA is awful" just from the comics they produce.

Wow, that's something alright. 


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