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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on June 1, 2012 at 6:37pm

As anyone here who knows me will cheerfully attest, far be it for me to be argumentative, but in the event not everyone possesses my degree of self control, and finds themselves in an argument, or in a discussion holding differing points of view, with a theist such as Mr. Occam here, be aware that there are a few fallacies that - doubtless present company excepted - some theists tend to use:

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Permalink Reply by William Occam on June 1, 2012 at 7:28pm

Nice video. Thanks.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on June 1, 2012 at 7:34pm

I tried to edit my post to say that while Mr. Occam is a self-confessed Theist, he may not necessarily be a Creationist, but for reasons not clear, once my alterations had been "saved," the little wheel just turned interminably - three times this happened (I'm thinking, GodDidIt), then my 15-minute editing time had elapsed - in any case, the fallacies should still apply to any argument, and certainly one involving religion.

pax vobiscum,
archaeopteryx

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Permalink Reply by William Occam on June 1, 2012 at 8:13pm

Correct. I am not a creationist nor an advocate of Intelligent Design, but a theistic evolutionist.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on June 2, 2012 at 12:43am

As I mentioned, I tried to edit my above post to recognize that possibility, as I am extremely hesitant to make assumptions.

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Permalink Reply by Lewal on June 1, 2012 at 7:32pm

Take the word "theist" off the end of that proposition and we can talk. Otherwise how can you expect anyone to see you as any more credible than the Bronze Age tribals with whom you would share your beliefs?

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Permalink Reply by Lewal on June 1, 2012 at 10:15pm

Of course most would say Christianity entails theism. I don't think it has to. For example, I'd say Jefferson was a reasonable Christian, but I'd be more hesitant to say he was a theist.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on June 2, 2012 at 1:03am

Actually, C., Tom created his own Bible by cutting everything out of the KJV that smacked of anything miraculous, so if in your mind, the "god" of the Bible had any capability of accomplishing miracles, then Tom was not a theist, or even a Deist.

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Permalink Reply by Lewal on June 2, 2012 at 2:01pm

Precisely, these in my mind would b the only reasonable Christians-- those that follow the teachings of Christ omitting any mythological aspects (divine lineage, supernatural feats etc). "Jeffersonian Christians" if you will.

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Permalink Reply by Ed on June 2, 2012 at 9:33am

Perhaps your approach should first come from the deistic perspective. As we are no respecter of a particular specific god(s) then it would make more sense to offer argument for the existence of a generic god. That is a huge hurdle in and of itself. If successful you could then offer further argument as to the specifics of your particular god - Yaweh, Jehovah, etc. You will need to be creative though as most of us are weary of the common theistic arguments that remain grounded in logical fallacies.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on June 2, 2012 at 11:08am

I think once a lot of us tell him "Been there, done that" he will be forced to be creative.

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Permalink Reply by Meg Fields on June 2, 2012 at 4:32pm

My mind is jumbled on this post. OP is christian or what? Either way, I come here to talk about why theistic belief in God is silly, not to hear reasons why he might exist. The rest of the world can give me those reasons as they've been doing since I was little and I'll keep ignoring them, as I've been doing since I was little. There is no such thing as reasonable Christianity in my mind- they believe a dude came down from the sky, said some things, got killed and turned into a zombie (short version). That's just not reasonable to me. Btw when I say zombie I mean in the living-dead sense, not the eat-your-brains sense.

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