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So I am new at all this. I am going through a phase where I am unsure if I am still a Christian or not. I don't believe in the bible but I believe in a higher power... I just so happen to stumble across this and was curios. I always thought that atheist were the ones who worships the devil and wore black and danced around at night casting spells on people. That is what I was taught. Boy was I wrong. I have been friends with an atheist for like 10 years and just found out LOL.

Anyways, I have 3 amazing children. They are not baptized because I want them to make that decision for themselves. Yes, it did throw a big rock in the water when I put my foot down on that. But they believe in God and Jesus. When asked how babies are made I told them God took a little of mommies heart and a little of daddies heart and made a baby and put it in my belly. When my nephew died 1 day shy of being 3 months I was asked, mommy why did he die? As hurt as I was I said well sometimes God needs baby angels. So every year we write messages Happy Birthday, Merry Christmas, etc. on balloons and let them go in the sky so he can see them in Heaven.

Now that I am on the fence on if I am still a Christian or not, I have no idea what to do about my children. Do I pull them away from it all? We don't go to church because I don't believe I HAVE to go to a church to praise God. But how do I interfere with what my children believe? Should I just keep doing what i'm doing and let them decided when they get a little older or what? My whole family are Christians and God comes up a lot. My family stays out of religious discussions with me because I always have something to say to contradict what they are talking about.


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Okay. What you are describing is certainly supernatural. Spirits are absolutely without a doubt a supernatural construct. Thanks for explaining why you believe in a super natural higher order. It's really nice to get a concrete and clear answer to a basic question. One usually doesn't get a clear and concrete answer to a "why" question when speaking with those who believe in the supernatural. You certainly seem very sincere in your beliefs and in your openness to applying critical thinking to them.

a higher power to me is something created the things on earth...

Nature created the things on earth.

as far as supernatural to me that would be ghost and aliens.

Ghosts, okay. But how are extraterrestrials outside of nature?

I do believe in ghost. or in the native American term "spirits". Why do I believe I this? I was 9 and they had a bad storm. I was sitting in my bed afraid because of the sound of hail banging on my window. I was alone. being from native American decent and believing my dreams/visions I had one appear to me. An old woman sat down next to me and held my hand and said everything will be okay. From a religious stand point that would be an angel. She didn't have wings or glow. She was more of a clouded form. I could see her and I did nothing but sit there. The weather calmed down and she was gone. The next day I found out a tornado actually passed right next to our apartment complex. The only apartment complex left standing was the one we were in.

I have had other visions which I have been told are gifts from God when I think its just visions. When I was 6 I had a vision of me having children. Specifically I was holding 2 boys in my hands. Now all my life I told myself I would never have children. Well, I ended up having twins. 2 boys.

I had a dream of my grandmothers death. She was driving a bus and ran off the road ended up in the bayou and drowned. Now she wasn't a bus driver but I was young. the next morning we were notified she has passed that night.

Visions is when you are awake. You see everything clearly. Dreams well that's when you are sleeping. I still have visions and dreams. They do come true. Now I don't know if you want to call it super natural or not.

I have had a doctor tell me that dreams are just our subconscious telling us things that we are lacking in our real life. But like I told him why is it that when my dreams come true later in the future I know what will be said and what will happen each second? I get no response. But to say it's God's gift to me, I dunno about all that. Why would he give me this gift? What would it be used for? I have never had a whole final destination thing happen so I doubt it's to protect anyone in any way from death or whatever...

These are all anecdotal fallacies, Savannah.

The more likely explanations are that you were dreaming, hallucinating, drugged, having psychotic episodes, or that you're lying, exaggerating, mistaken, or counting the hits and ignoring the misses in your "predictions". These are common nonsupernatural occurrences in human behavior and perception, in contrast with the record of ghost claims and fortune-telling, none of which have ever withstood scientific scrutiny.

This is why such "reasons" for believing in the supernatural consistently fail to impress: it invariably comes down to nothing (except somebody's say-so).


the purpose of a tree is to grow and drop seeds and die or

the purpose of a male human is to grow into a man, live, socialise and procreate.

What happened to "and die"?

I dear. It's strange because I'm not afraid of death but I seem to have subconsciously omitted it. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN???

Davis, It means you haven't reached an age at which your body starts coming apart.

And those Intelligent Design folk think they're onto something. How silly, to believe their designer was intelligent.


I feel it's natural for pack animals--and especially humans shaped deeply by culture to seek role fulfillment that's compatible with a "higher power". That higher power is the pack, or group, mostly for survival purposes, but once one's local culture fulfills its survival needs with cooperative behavior, culture then drives itself to cooperatively seek other goals and idealisms, whether to enhance comfort of living, or to invent and disemminate art and philosophy, etc.. Religion is one of those philosophies invented as an attempt to explain the meaning and purpose of life, every person's "role" in life, not to mention as a means to institutionally control the masses--which developed later, alongside other developments of "civilization". (Civilization in quotes, because it brings out both the best and the worst in human institutions and endeavors.)

That's the long way of saying that I think it's normal for most people take in whatever their culture traditionally reveres and teaches, whether it be art, science, spirituality or specific forms of them or specific forms of religion and/or explanation of higher power. 

But how do I interfere with what my children believe?

As a parent of many years ago, my goal was to help my kids develop a logical, reasonable thinking process and not let any other person or tradition interfere with. I didn't even tell them I was atheist until they asked me, in their late teens. I tried to point out how practically everyone in the world just takes in the belief of their local culture, without much skepticism or further research. Instead of putting down our local culture of Christianity, I pointed out how most humans of the world just succumb to the local peer pressure to believe "what everyone believes", completely uncaring about (or oblivious  to) what everyone else around the world believes. Most importantly, too much religion is about believing in itself as a matter of faith, even to the point of denial of evidence and evidence-based (e.g. science) methods of learning.

Science relies on skepticism for learning about reality, while religion blocks skepticism in order to perpetuate itself.

Its kinda hard to not have my children in the scene of God. I just tell them they will understand when they get older.

Part of that process for us was to read to them various stories of belief, especially the different creation myths... er, I mean stories! I remember in particular African and Japanese creation stories, even including an annual, live play with costumes in a small town in Japan, with a few musicians playing traditional instruments for background. The people we walked with to the village performance are were dressed up in traditional garb. It was an especially beautiful and memorable experience.

Point being, in addition to enjoying the artful aspects of different traditions, I was hoping to make the impression on the kids that people's beliefs or their recounting of myth can be accepted for what they are, including ones that are local or right next door, so long as we don't choose to belong to one just because of peer pressure.

Hey Savannah! Just out of curiosity, how long did you consider yourself a Christian? (I am a Christian - just so you don't get misled thinking I'm atheist)

I would have called Mary a whore.
After all, she did have a child with another man (god?) while married. Tsk, tsk... Oh! That means Jesus is a bastard, and if the bible was to tone down the violence to the level of Game of Thrones, Jesus would be Jesus Snow. Ha!
She was "blessed" because god's laws don't apply to god, which makes him a tyrant. Otherwise he would be bound by the same laws and punished as a adulterer, and an infanticidal, genocidal, monster.

Where in the Bible does it say he did or did not eat?

Jesus ate. Your family doesn't know the Bible very well.

If lack of mention means the activity never occurred, note that the Bible makes no mention of Jesus ever going pee or poop.

What would Jesus doo-doo? Be sure to ask next time this comes up because... holy shit!

And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat at Levi’s house, that many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and His disciples; for there were many, and they followed Him. And when the scribes and Pharisees saw Him eating with publicans and sinners, they said unto His disciples, “How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?” - Mark 2:15-16

Now when the evening had come, He sat down with the twelve. And as they ate, He said, “Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray Me.” And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto Him, “Lord, is it I?” And He answered and said, “He that dippeth his hand with Me in the dish, the same shall betray Me." -Mathew 26:20-21

And when the hour had come, He sat down and the twelve apostles with Him. And He said unto them, “With desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; for I say unto you, I will not anymore eat thereof until it be fulfilled in the Kingdom of God.” - Luke 22:14-16

And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them. -Luke 24:40-43

anyways, why was it okay back then and now it's a "sin".

Because we have learned things since then, including to treat women as equal partners. Back then they also believed in a flat earth; now that's not OK either.

I agree with @Gallup. Jesus ate, and drank (probably lots), peed and pooped, sweated and stank.

In the Catholic and as far as I know all Christian traditions, Jesus was never married and did not have a "wife."

Yes, the Bible is a compiled book of stories, rewritten and reinterpreted by different authors over time. So is any school textbook, any text on history, or science. At some point we choose to believe what we learn from books because we have faith in our fellow human beings, or because in some fewer cases we have personal experience.


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