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Permalink Reply by Michael on June 6, 2011 at 1:31am

That's our attempt with the LHC at CERNs, so to speak.

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Permalink Reply by dr howard davis on June 6, 2011 at 2:36pm

Peter you seem to know all about death and you state right out no life after death or a Divine Judgment (Jesus said  'every word' and even 'all thoughts' will be judged at -as He said ,'The Last Day') is a "fairy tale,'etc. 

So we propose you test your faith or belief -and that's all it is. Like we fairy tale followers,you are going on 'faith' as you or we have NEVER died!!! So when you do die and you will -all of us will -some sooner than others,then you can KNOW for certain if it is a 'fairy tale.' Well,if you are right you won't really know unless you are wrong then you will have a contrast!

 You seem willing to wait and see,or there is nothing to wait for, OK.It's not 'scientific' enough for you so then this is what you will follow.

Some will say this a fear statement.NO! It's a fact we all die and we don't know when.This is fact not fear! I use reality not fear. As it says, 'It is appointed for people to die once and after that the Judgment.'Or 'Don't boast yourself of tomorrow as you do not know what a day may bring forth.'I think death is very serious. I am not a gambler with death and what may be out there. You say 'nothing'- then you will have your grand chance to prove it-not to us or anyone but yourself,even then if you black out forever as it were then that's it.If you are sure you are right then no need to fear,of course!

Some scientists like our brilliant friend in the UK says he has come close to death and he knows life after death or even divine creation is a 'fairy tale. 'No,he has NOT died yet! He does not fear death that is very different than really dying. He is very much alive!It's just his opinion and that's all it is.I do praise his intelligence and accomplishments as all should and inspite of a severe handicap. He is an inspiration to all.

I know and have read after scientists that do believe in God,divine creation and an 'fairy tale' afterlife. So we have two sides. Both sides have an opinion. 

If you are right then both sides have no problem- party!!!,but if the other side is right...so I am covered on both ends- sleep deep or live on!

 

As weak as we are as humans we warn,but want all to have the freedom to decide.Your side must render your views too. Good! Both sides need to defend each others rights to believe as we wish.And to have the freedom to debate those issues,if we wish. Either way in the end  it's an individual matter.

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Permalink Reply by Daria Black on June 6, 2011 at 3:40pm

The problem with your argument Howard is that you are just as likely to be wrong. There are thousands of religions on the "spiritual" market. How do you know that you have chosen the right one? The only proof that your religion is the One True Religion is because it says so in your holy book. However, it says the same exact thing in other holy books as well.

 

There is not proof that what your book says will happen after death is actually true just like there is not proof that what atheists believe about death is true just like there is no proof that Muslims will get 70 virgins when they die. The real answer to the question of what happens after we die is "I don't know". But many people are uncomfortable with not knowing and so they choose to believe in "fairy tales" to comfort themselves.

 

At the end of the day all you can really do is live the best life you can so that when you do die you won't feel as if you had wasted the time you did have on Earth.

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Permalink Reply by dr howard davis on June 6, 2011 at 4:07pm

Hi Daria,

All religions affirm life after death.I addressed life after death. I affirm life after death .As I posted it's an individual matter.This is MY choice not the 'worlds religions.'  'Holy Books' are there for those who wish to choose. My contention is we are responsible for our choices. If we are wrong then we bear that.

I do not believe in life after death to make myself feel good. I have a great life. I choose this belief on my own with no fear on my part. The scientists and doctors I know have told me the same thing.That ol' concept of we wish to believe in 'fairy tales' to make ourselves happy or to escape fear of death,etc.,is not true.

An atheist (a term-without the gods- used of the early Christians who were slaughtered by the millions for their faith) has made a choice not based on fear to make themselves happy there is no god,or Book so why do people who believe the opposite have to be fearful,wanting to be happy in an afterlife,etc.,etc. Neither side is superior-we are all human beings nothing higher or lower than that.

 

Oh,and it's actually 71 virgins(don't short them!),'12 young boys' and a 'mixed multitude' of M/F's!!! And' rivers of wine.'This is  their truth. I do not choose to believe it.Choice.

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