This is not me.
It is a simple question. Why are nipples/breasts so taboo? I want your opinion. Guys with their shirt off it is okay, but a girl, "OMG DON'T LOOK KIDS! NIPPLES!!! YOU SHOULD BE ashamed OF YOURSELF!" Keep in mind a lot of men have bigger breasts than most women!
Also, is this picture not as taboo in your mind because the nipples have been erased? Finally, while we are on it. Why can we have nipples of african tribes on public TV but not other races? Why the divide?
I know these sounds like silly questions, but I want some rational discussion over this topic.
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Western Europe isn't that hot and it's still not unusual to see women topless at beaches (and not just nudist beaches), at the pool and in public parks. They don't walk topless through the streets, but in certain places it's perfectly acceptable.
As for the covering of body parts. If you cover one, something else tends to become attractive. At one point it was scandalous to show some ankle. I've found myself finding the eyes of some Muslim women with Niqabs to be very alluring. Which is probably why the Burqa was invented.
I bet Americans early last century had this same conversation over female cleavage before the bikini took over the world.
"Women should not show cleavage. It sends a sexual signal, and it's not just by social convention."
Evolve, hivemind.... EVOLVE!!!!!
Correct. My point was that we would eventually become equally inured to the sight of female nipples at the beach if it became the society norm. People need to realize this. The only reason people think female nipples send too much of a sexual signal to ever be displayed publicly is because nipples are the only remaining part of the female upper body left that hasn't been liberated in our society. I think it's hilarious that we've actually reached a point where, in some places, females can wear pasties at beaches (or even in strip clubs) to avoid prosecution under local public indecency laws. That's beyond ridiculous and an amazing idea to get this issue moved forward. I'd love to see large groups of women in pasties storming beaches while people gasp before they understand why they're gasping.
As for your personal question, I've never done that but it is a common behavior amongst females (and some males) which has, and always will, continue to exist because it's one area where women are usually in control. Men often go through dates wondering if they're going to get laid. Women usually know before the date even starts. That won't change if our society finally loses the taboo over female nipples long after the taboo on female cleavage has been lost. Sexual signals will always remain, and they'll continue to involve cleavage displays as long as males continue to love boobs.
Ah, but inured is not the same thing as immune. The sexual signal would still be there, it would just be interpreted a bit differently. Social norms may change the exact meaning of non-verbal signals, but they don't change our biology.
I am not trying to defend indecency laws, by the way, merely to say that I understand what prompted them and don't think they are based purely on religion.
We are more than our biology Mo Trauen! We are no longer base animals, but human beings now, so we can be expected to control our primitive sexual urges until such time as they are appropriate between consenting adults, and merely seeing a topless woman on the beach, or walking down the street or shopping for groceries, is not automatically an invitation to sex, anymore that it is for a Muslim man to use that similar excuse when they rape a woman whose hair was exposed in public. She was asking for it because she was on display like a slut.
What is at issue here is I believe a matter of gender equality for females in a modern age. Females who should be free to dress in public in whatever covered or exposed manner a man is permitted to do. If a restaurant required shirts and shoes, then fine, shirts and shoes for both sexes, but it should not be allowed that you, your son or father are legally permitted to mow your lawn, tend the barbecue or paint the fence topless if you like, when your girlfriend, wife, mother or daughter would be arrested for doing the same thing in the same place.
People would be all googly eyes for a while, but in a relatively short time, the novelty of saggy tits, and sunburned nipples would wear off, just as it has in many parts of the world who have granted this clothing equality to both sexes.
Many people bridle at the idea of biology driving their behavior. Being self-aware and complicated may make us more than biological automatons to an extent, but never doubt that the beast is still lurking within.
I am not defending the idea of prudishness. I think the idea of having laws against nudity is ridiculous. Whether people want to do things that might be interpreted as sending a sexual signal or not is not the business of the government.
What my previous answer tried to do was explain why such attitudes prevail. It may well be that we could all get used to a different paradigm, but I suspect that true adjustment would require a generation or two.