Marshall Vian Summers claims to be receiving a new message from God. Over the past thirty years, Summers has recorded more than 800 spoken revelations while living in seclusion in the foothills of the Colorado Rockies. He claims these revelations come from God and are being given to him by angelic emissaries.
When asked about his "New Message," Summers said, "It was revealed to me by an Angel of God, a powerful, mysterious presence that filled my mind and the surrounding environment with grace."
In the beginning, Summers found believers in his wife, his son and a small group of committed students. Yet now, a growing number of people are staking their faith in Summers' claims, and most live far from Colorado.From South Korea to Uganda to Saudi Arabia, people are congregating virtually on Summers' website, and his organization regularly releases translations in seven languages.
With followers worldwide, Summers' organization has turned to live internet broadcasting to preach the word. One Sunday a month, Summers presents via webcast an "original revelation of the New Message from God" to his viewers.
And on February 6th, Summers will descend Moses-like from his proverbial mountain in the Rockies to offer his newest digital stone tablets from God. This month's release: a 47-minute revelation entitled "Deeper Recognition in Relationships."
Thoughts? Besides "He is full of crap."
I wish you well.
As Andre Gide, Nobel prize winning author stated - "The closer you get to religion, the further you get from reality".
(please everybody, stop replying to student of knowledge - you know it only encourages them!!!!)
You don’t need to reply to this message since you don’t want to encourage “us.”
But I just wanted to say hi because I don’t meet too many people who know the author Andre Gide. The saying you quoted may just be true. It’s unfortunate that historically, people have used and misused religions to oppress and control people and to acquire wealth and power. The essence of religions has become lost in human struggle for acquisition…
Why do I get the feeling that the group in the forum is ostracizing me? : )
Thank you for your response.
Fred, a person is definitely closed-minded if s/he cannot listen to other people’s perspectives because they clash with her/his belief. A person is open-minded if s/he is open to other people’s perspectives without any prejudice, bias, or judgment. Reading the posts in this forum, do you see self-proclaimed open-minded people who handle other people’s perspective in such manner? So you must know that atheists are not automatically open-minded people.
You can google “UFO sighting reports” and you can find a slew of data on the internet.
I want to encourage him. This is very entertaining. I just started reading the comments on this discussion and I can't stop. This student is fascinating to me.
What exactly would you encourage him to do? Marshall receives the revelation verbally from the Angelic Presence that watches over the well-being and development of this world. The verbal revelation is recorded and then transcribed. It isn't anything that he does because anyone encourages him and discouraging him will not stop the revelation.
I was replying to David Brown when he said "please everybody, stop replying to student of knowledge - you know it only encourages them!!!!"
It was you who I was referring to encourage.
I apologize for referring to you as a him without knowing your gender.
I didn’t know whom you were referring to. Don’t worry about referring me as a male or a female since you do not know my gender. When I don’t know the gender of a person I speak of, I also tend to refer the person as a male, rather than a female.
Dear Student - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
The First Rapture Prediction:
1844 - William Miller predicted that Christ would return between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844, then revised his prediction, claiming to have miscalculated Scripture, to October 22, 1844. The realization that the predictions were incorrect resulted in a Great Disappointment. Miller's theology gave rise to the Advent movement. The Baha'is believe that Christ did return as Miller predicted in 1844, with the advent of the Báb, and numerous Miller-like prophetic predictions from many religions are given in William Sears' book, Thief in The Night.
With ten more predictions in between -
The Latest Prediction:
2011 - Harold Camping's revised prediction had May 21, 2011 as the date of the Rapture.
After this prediction proved inaccurate, he claimed that a non-visible "spiritual judgment" had taken place, and that the physical Rapture would occur on October 21, 2011.
ALL WRONG -
The thing about "The Rapture", Atheists knew it was not going to happen. One bloke tried to make a deal with Harold Camping - I will give you $10,000, but if the rapture didn't happen, Camping was to give back $20,000. Camping declined. Funny that.
With your bloke summers, nobody can "prove" he is not hearing voices - no dates for something to happen - so he can and will keep stringing you and your troupe along, for as long as he likes. I am really concerned you are going to waste your life, following a dunderhead and con man, living in fear - Atheists have no fear of gods, hell, satan, or aliens.
And that is a brilliant, invigorating, happy place to be.
Cheers - Suzanne
Yes, there have been many false messengers and prophets. You can probably discern false ones because they always seem into monetary gain or self-glorification or some dark ending (such as mass suicide) for their followers. None of such characteristics can be found with Marshall or the New Message from God. That doesn’t “prove” or disprove that Marshall is the Messenger.
However, as I mentioned many times in this forum, if you consider the vast amount of Message packed with Wisdom in the New Message from God, then it’s more difficult to conceive that it was all authored by one human being than to accept that it was received by one human being through the Angelic Presence. It is the Message and its Wisdom that you need to focus on and not the Messenger himself. I capitalize the word Messenger here because he is the only Messenger of this time and there is no other. The Messenger, though he came into this world with an immensely great mission to fulfill, he’s the conduit of the New Message from God, not the source of the New Message. Marshall is not God.
Thank you for sharing your experience with me. I think you had great hopes in the aliens and studied a great deal about them. While it is understandable that a 10-year old boy might have had a yearning for ETs to be benevolent and heavenly, unfortunately, these ETs present in this solar system currently are not here for the human benefit but with a sinister goal that will undermine the human civilization as we know it.
Here, I will write the same statement I wrote to Suzanne in this forum. The former air force officers all over the world have come forward with their disclosure statements about the UFOs they witnessed up close. They claimed that these vehicles were operated by intelligent beings from outer space. Do you mean to tell me that these respectable gentlemen are kidding around or the UFOs they or millions of other people worldwide witnessed were navigated by nobody?
The extraterrestrial beings are here. I understand that your hopes were crushed when you weren’t visited by the aliens but I assure you that you are lucky if they haven’t visited you. They are not benevolent. They are sinister. And they are undoubtedly here.
Statement: You must agree that the world is changing -
The world has profoundly changed since humans have evolved - I could go back further, but for this discussion, no need.
There have been many times, throughout history, that peoples have thought it to be the end of civilization as they knew it. Persians, Greeks, Romans and more recently Germans.
Many annihilations and genocides have occured over the centuries. There have been many, many great waves of change. If you had studied Ancient and Modern History, you would know this.
Growing economic hardship, political instability - French Revolution, American Revolution, Russian Revolution, Chinese Revolution.
Point to a time in human history, where there has not been political instability, no famine, no disease, and everything was right with the world.
Catastrophic weather: there have always been tornadoes, floods, hurricanes, etc.
The problem is now humans are in the way. No humans, no problem. Humans are stupid in building on coast lines, in flood areas, in tornado and hurricane allies. They build near volcanoes, Pompeii and the many volcanoes in the Philippines springs to mind. How about Krakatoa, first explosion in 416 AD.
Loss of arable land and water - over population is a major cause.
Disease - always been rampant - until inoculation of many of the diseases.
Humanity has not been as well as it is now.
Why does your god send cryptic messages into one person's head, and then expect everyone to believe this one blokes story. Why should, why does, anybody believe this bloke. It is just so sad, that anybody believes this.
Believe in Aliens etc, if you want to, I don't, but my big problem is, you bring god into it. Do you believe these aliens are working for the devil?
If this is so serious, why not tell more than ONE person, the aliens are coming, and they are bad buggers. Is this Summers bloke, the only person in the world, worth telling? There is mass communication now, why doesn't god go on tv around the world and tell EVERYBODY?
Don't you think it strange that only one person supposedly knows about this?
If it is SO IMPORTANT FOR THE WORLD to know, this god is once again, frigging incompetant. He is just not good enough for me.
You seem to forget, I am an ATHEEIST - No god - therefore no fixing of anybodies problems, or fairies to solve my problems.
That is the point of my story, the human brain is capable of the most extra-ordinary stories and myth as is pagan myths, as is the bible, as is Star Wars, as is Harry Potter as is Aboriginal Dreamings.
So, back to Marshall - he is a charlatan who loves the power and preying on peoples insecurities. You already were entrenched in Catholicism, so 80% indoctrinated. Many, many people believe in aliens, your bloke has hit on the idea to combine three things - god + aliens + fear - he hit the jackpot.
He doubled his market in one fell swoop - clever marketing move. If it is not about money, it is about power, or maybe he is schizophrenic.
Cheers - Suzanne