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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 12, 2012 at 1:32am

I DO hope they're housebroken. Bet they'd taste like chicken --

pax vobiscum,
archaeopteryx
www.in-His-own-image.com

Permalink Reply by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on March 11, 2012 at 7:56am

No fire, no fear, no god, no angels, no et's, but lots of people with fantastic imaginations, and one charlatan (well, one of many, actually) - but you have to guess who that is. How about if your group actually do something useful, with so much time on hands - instead of yelling fire, that is - and start reading books about Science Fiction - and you will see where Marshall gets his et stories. Did you ever see Star Wars, and the bar scene. Extra Terrestrial's having a drink - brilliant imagination. If I didn't know better, I would have believed that they really were ET's. :D

Your bible works on fear, and so does marshall, it is that simple.

Soooo, when you come onto an Atheist forum, what do you think you will achieve.

I have to have proof of god, which, so far, there is none, so if there is no god, vis a vis, no talking angels, no et's.

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Permalink Reply by Student of Knowledge on March 12, 2012 at 10:09am

 

Declaration of Human Sovereignty – Regarding Contact with Extraterrestrial Nations and Forces

We, the People of Earth, extend greetings to all races in the Greater Community of the Universe. We acknowledge our common heritage before the Creator of all the Universe, both visible and invisible. We declare the planet Earth as humanity’s Planet of Genesis, our Homeworld, and our sacred inheritance. We pledge henceforth to sustain and preserve the Earth for all generations to come. We call upon all humanity to treat all races everywhere with wisdom and justice, here on Earth and throughout the Universe.

Fundamental Rights

We, the People of Earth, regard the need for freedom to be universal. Therefore, we hold that all individuals in all worlds are created equal and are endowed by the Creator with sacred and inalienable rights. Fundamental among these are the right to live as a free race on their Planet of Genesis, their Homeworld; the right of self-determination, self-sufficiency, and creative expression; the right to life without oppression; and the right to pursue in life a higher purpose and a higher calling that the Creator has provided to all.

Before the Greater Community of the Universe, we, the People of Earth, do now invoke these fundamental rights for ourselves and for our Homeworld, along with certain rights that naturally derive from them, including:

• The right of sovereignty. The People of Earth shall be self-governed and independent, neither subject to nor dependent upon any other authority. No extraterrestrial force shall contravene or abrogate the human sovereignty of this planet.
• The right of planetary sanctity. As our Planet of Genesis, the Earth shall be free from extraterrestrial intervention, intrusion, interference, or exploitation, both mental and physical. No extraterrestrial force shall make close approach, or assume close orbit, or make any landing, or engage in trade, except openly and with the expressed consent of the People of Earth achieved through a democratic means.
• The right of sanctity of biological and genetic material. No extraterrestrial power shall take, possess, or manipulate human biological or genetic material for any purpose whatsoever.
• The right of occupation. As the native people of the one known inhabited planet of this Solar System, we claim this Solar System as our sphere of influence. No extraterrestrial bases may be established on bodies or stations orbiting the Earth, nor on other planets or bodies of this Solar System, except with the expressed consent of the People of Earth.
• The right of peaceful navigation. We claim the right to travel and explore within our Solar System without interference or restraint from extraterrestrial forces, and maintain the right to deny access to this Solar System by any extraterrestrial forces.

We, the People of Earth, consider it our rightful responsibility to assert and defend these fundamental rights, and to give and receive aid consistent with these rights. In the case of any dispute with extraterrestrial forces, the burden of proof of innocence shall fall on those who are not native to Earth.

The Assessment

When in the course of their evolution it becomes necessary for the native people of a planet to unite, to transcend the conflicts and differences that have separated them from one another, and to assume among the powers of the Universe a separate and equal sovereignty, a respectful consideration of that sovereignty requires that they declare the causes which impel them to this present course of action.

Although the Earth has undergone a long history of extraterrestrial visitation, the current situation is that the People of Earth are now suffering the effects of a global extraterrestrial intervention into human affairs. This intervention employs a strategy of deception, manipulation, and exploitation, the goal of which is control over humanity, which will result in the loss of human freedom and self-determination. It is now the sacred right and duty of the People of Earth to oppose, resist, and repel this extraterrestrial intervention, to declare and defend our sovereignty, our freedom, and our independence from all extraterrestrial forces.

Let these violations be considered by those supporting the cause of freedom throughout the Greater Community:

• Intervening extraterrestrial forces have refused to openly disclose and reveal the nature and intent of their activities on and around Earth. This extraterrestrial presence is clandestine, covert, uninvited, and unapproved by the People of Earth. These extraterrestrial forces have concealed their own identity, their political or economic alliances and allegiances, as well as the authorities and powers which they serve.
• As is becoming increasingly apparent from their actions, extraterrestrial forces intend to exploit the Earth, its resources, and its people, and are engaged in a systematic program of colonizing humanity into a subservient client state to be ruled by agents of these extraterrestrial forces. The extraterrestrial intervention and occupation seeks commercial gain, economic power, and the strategic advantage offered by this world in relation to other worlds.
• Extraterrestrial forces have repeatedly and with impunity violated national and international laws of the Earth’s people. These offenses, which still continue today, have included violation of restricted airspace; abduction and transportation of humans without their consent; murder, rape, torture, sexual abuse, interbreeding with humans, and cruel experimentation; theft and trade of human biological and genetic materials; theft and trade of Earth’s natural resources; covert mental and psychological influence; mutilation of humans and animals; tampering with and disabling of military defense systems; and clandestine infiltration into human society.
• Extraterrestrial forces have secretly negotiated treaties and agreements with human individuals and groups, without the informed consent of the People of Earth.
• Extraterrestrial forces have systematically attempted to persuade and mislead humans through extending false hopes and promises of wealth, power, and protection; rescue from planetary catastrophe; membership in a “galactic federation”; and spiritual salvation and enlightenment.
• Extraterrestrial forces have exploited and exacerbated human conflicts to serve their own ends.
• Extraterrestrial forces have been disempowering humanity by leading us to believe that we can only survive with their help and their advanced technology, thus fostering our complete dependence upon them and denying our ability to ensure our own survival.

Demands and Declarations

Accordingly, we, the People of Earth, do hereby declare all previously existing agreements or treaties between any human government, group, or individual and any extraterrestrials to be forthwith null, void, and permanently suspended. We demand that any such previously existing treaties or agreements be fully and publicly disclosed. Any future agreements or treaties between human governments, groups, or individuals and extraterrestrials must be negotiated only with the full consent of the People of Earth, publicly and openly expressed by an international democratic body representing the nations and peoples of Earth.

We demand that all extraterrestrials now cease all operations and activities and immediately vacate and depart from the Earth and its surroundings including the Sun, Earth’s Moon, and all planets of this Solar System. This includes vacating any natural or artificial satellites, as well as all space within the Solar System.

We demand that all extraterrestrial organizations who have established or operated bases on the Earth, its Moon, or anywhere else within this Solar System, dismantle these bases and fully disclose their nature.

We further demand that all living humans who are now in custody of extraterrestrials be returned immediately in good health; further, we demand a full accounting of all humans who have been taken or held by extraterrestrials, including those who have died in captivity. In addition, we demand that all human biological or genetic materials taken from any individuals be accounted for and destroyed, and their intended use be identified. Any devices implanted in living individuals must be identified so that they may be safely removed.

We demand full public disclosure of the purpose and details of the extraterrestrial hybridization program, including the location, identity, and activities of all living human-extraterrestrial hybrids, whether on Earth or elsewhere.

Be it known throughout the Universe that from this time forward, extraterrestrials may only enter our Solar System, approach our Earth, fly in our skies, set foot on our soil, or enter our waters with the explicit consent of the People of Earth.

We, therefore, do solemnly declare that the People of Earth are and should be a free and independent people; that all humans are hereby absolved from all allegiance to extraterrestrial powers, and that all political and economic connections between them and the People of Earth are totally dissolved; that as a free and sovereign race in the Greater Community of the Universe, we assume full power within this Solar System to conclude peace, levy war, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to undertake all other actions which a sovereign planetary race may rightfully and ethically do.

Concluding Statement

Let it be understood that in making this Declaration of Human Sovereignty, we, the People of Earth, affirm our future and destiny as a free race within a Greater Community of intelligent life. We recognize that we are a part of this Greater Community and that we are destined over time to encounter many different races from beyond our world.

To them and to all others, we hereby declare that our intention is not conquest or domination in space. We declare that the rights and privileges that we affirm here for ourselves, we also affirm for all races of beings whom we might encounter.

In making our Declaration of Human Sovereignty, we proclaim our rights, responsibilities, and privileges as a free race in order that we may pursue greater unity, peace, and cooperation within the human family without unwanted or unwarranted intrusion and interference by any outside nation or force from the Greater Community. We make this proclamation as an expression of our Divine right and honorable intent for the human family and for all races in the Universe who seek to be free.

www.HumanSovereignty.org

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Permalink Reply by I want to believe on March 12, 2012 at 11:26am

It's comforting to see a legal document exists that we can use in the intergalactic court of law should the mean ETs take our planet and sovereignty illegally. 

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Permalink Reply by Milos Cakovan on March 12, 2012 at 1:09pm

Well, I'm convinced!

I just hope the ET's honour this treaty we are proposing, as I'm sure you all know that in the not so distant future we will need all the Council races' help to defend Earth from the Reaper invasion.

;; I'm Commander Shepard, and I approve this message. ;; 

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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on March 12, 2012 at 6:11pm

So am I, Commander Shepard. But sorry Stud, big leap from god to angels talking to marshall, in his head, then onto aliens are taking over.

I am a tad concerned if the aliens just don't take any notice of said contract - devious little critters that they are, as is Milos - I just don't trust aliens when they are evil body snatchers. Honest, ethical, sweet, fun aliens are a different matter all together :D

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 12, 2012 at 1:27pm

@Student --

Samuel Taylor Coleridge once said that in order to enjoy good fiction, one needs to learn to suspend disbelief, which is what I try to do as I read your posts. At first, I thought you were pulling our collective leg, but it's becoming more and more obvious that at least YOU believe strongly in what you are saying. You have long ago exceeded the effort/reward ratio of one knowingly perpetrating a hoax.

The law of averages implies that there are planetary systems out there billions of years older than ours, and I do not discount the possibility that there could well be a race of beings who have evolved abilities so far beyond our own that we cannot understand them, and being Human, and as such, relative newcomers to the realm of sentient beings, that which we cannot readily explain, we tend to call, "God."

I cannot, however, accept an actual, supernatural "god," nor any accompanying "angels." We relatively few Human beings who have come this far in terms of finally shaking off the shackles of belief in supernatural beings, will find it difficult, if not impossible, to voluntarily replace those shackles because of a few bouncing lights in the sky.

There is a story - and I'll be the first to agree that it may well be urban legend - of three American airmen, flying a recon plane during WW II, who experienced mechanical problems. They landed their light aircraft on a plateau spotted from the air on a remote Pacific island. They got out, repaired the problem, ate lunch from C-ration cans, which, not being particularly environmentally conscientious, they tossed aside on the ground, then took off. Years later, one of these men, retired and cruising the world on his sailboat, found himself in the vicinity of the island, and adhering as he was to no particular schedule, decided to make a sidetrip, for memory's sake, and visit their old landing site. He scaled the plateau, and once atop it, found a replica of his old recon plane, made of sticks and straw, and inside, in the "cockpit," he found the three, abandoned C-ration cans, reverently placed on the "seat." It seems that the island was in fact inhabited, by natives who hid in fear in the jungle, and watched as three gods descended from the sky, ate a meal, and ascended once again into the heavens. The stick and straw replica of their mysterious craft had been an object of worship ever since.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke
English physicist & science fiction author

I'll revisit my thinking in my disbelief in Santa Claus before I'll believe in any god.

pax vobiscum,
archaeopteryx
www.in-His-own-image.com

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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on March 12, 2012 at 5:53pm

Yeah, what archaeopteryx said! - cargo cult - but what the - no Santa Claus??? What about Goblins?

The President of USA, most powerful nation on earth, Ronald Reagan not only believed there was going to be an alien invasion, he also believed in Astrology, as did his wife.

The contract that Stud has here, is it like the Hitler-Chamberlain contract?

Someone has missed their vocation - fantastic document - you believe that et's can enter our body and control us, but they are going to take notice of what this document demands? This is the scenario for the next Sci-fi movie - it would make a mint.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 12, 2012 at 7:08pm

Of COURSE there are Goblins Suzanne, I would never imply there weren't - but as I understand it, they're entirely confined, due to their fear of water, to the island continent of Australia, where they dine almost exclusively on Eucalyptus leaf salads, with Italian dressing and possibly a little chives and cherry tomatoes on the side.

pax vobiscum,
archaeopteryx
www.in-His-own-image.com

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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on March 13, 2012 at 2:13am

Strike - you had me worried there for a bit - yes, they do have a fear of water - and their boat making skills are not the best - apparently, sometimes they use French dressing, and Fetta cheese and olives, when they can get them.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 12, 2012 at 12:43pm

@Student - RE: "Ronald Reagan's speech before the entire panel of UN, alluding to alien invasion" - Do you have a link for that? I'd be interested in it if you do.

Don't know where the "Reply" buttons went, but I'm suspecting aliens were involved somehow.

pax vobiscum,
archaeopteryx
www.in-His-own-image.com

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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on March 12, 2012 at 6:00pm

Here is the link to an interesting scenario - 

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/ronald_reagan_ufo.htm

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