Marshall Vian Summers claims to be receiving a new message from God. Over the past thirty years, Summers has recorded more than 800 spoken revelations while living in seclusion in the foothills of the Colorado Rockies. He claims these revelations come from God and are being given to him by angelic emissaries.
When asked about his "New Message," Summers said, "It was revealed to me by an Angel of God, a powerful, mysterious presence that filled my mind and the surrounding environment with grace."
In the beginning, Summers found believers in his wife, his son and a small group of committed students. Yet now, a growing number of people are staking their faith in Summers' claims, and most live far from Colorado.From South Korea to Uganda to Saudi Arabia, people are congregating virtually on Summers' website, and his organization regularly releases translations in seven languages.
With followers worldwide, Summers' organization has turned to live internet broadcasting to preach the word. One Sunday a month, Summers presents via webcast an "original revelation of the New Message from God" to his viewers.
And on February 6th, Summers will descend Moses-like from his proverbial mountain in the Rockies to offer his newest digital stone tablets from God. This month's release: a 47-minute revelation entitled "Deeper Recognition in Relationships."
Thoughts? Besides "He is full of crap."
No fire, no fear, no god, no angels, no et's, but lots of people with fantastic imaginations, and one charlatan (well, one of many, actually) - but you have to guess who that is. How about if your group actually do something useful, with so much time on hands - instead of yelling fire, that is - and start reading books about Science Fiction - and you will see where Marshall gets his et stories. Did you ever see Star Wars, and the bar scene. Extra Terrestrial's having a drink - brilliant imagination. If I didn't know better, I would have believed that they really were ET's. :D
Your bible works on fear, and so does marshall, it is that simple.
Soooo, when you come onto an Atheist forum, what do you think you will achieve.
I have to have proof of god, which, so far, there is none, so if there is no god, vis a vis, no talking angels, no et's.
Declaration of Human Sovereignty – Regarding Contact with Extraterrestrial Nations and Forces
We, the People of Earth, extend greetings to all races in the Greater Community of the Universe. We acknowledge our common heritage before the Creator of all the Universe, both visible and invisible. We declare the planet Earth as humanity’s Planet of Genesis, our Homeworld, and our sacred inheritance. We pledge henceforth to sustain and preserve the Earth for all generations to come. We call upon all humanity to treat all races everywhere with wisdom and justice, here on Earth and throughout the Universe.
We, the People of Earth, regard the need for freedom to be universal. Therefore, we hold that all individuals in all worlds are created equal and are endowed by the Creator with sacred and inalienable rights. Fundamental among these are the right to live as a free race on their Planet of Genesis, their Homeworld; the right of self-determination, self-sufficiency, and creative expression; the right to life without oppression; and the right to pursue in life a higher purpose and a higher calling that the Creator has provided to all.
Before the Greater Community of the Universe, we, the People of Earth, do now invoke these fundamental rights for ourselves and for our Homeworld, along with certain rights that naturally derive from them, including:
We, the People of Earth, consider it our rightful responsibility to assert and defend these fundamental rights, and to give and receive aid consistent with these rights. In the case of any dispute with extraterrestrial forces, the burden of proof of innocence shall fall on those who are not native to Earth.
When in the course of their evolution it becomes necessary for the native people of a planet to unite, to transcend the conflicts and differences that have separated them from one another, and to assume among the powers of the Universe a separate and equal sovereignty, a respectful consideration of that sovereignty requires that they declare the causes which impel them to this present course of action.
Although the Earth has undergone a long history of extraterrestrial visitation, the current situation is that the People of Earth are now suffering the effects of a global extraterrestrial intervention into human affairs. This intervention employs a strategy of deception, manipulation, and exploitation, the goal of which is control over humanity, which will result in the loss of human freedom and self-determination. It is now the sacred right and duty of the People of Earth to oppose, resist, and repel this extraterrestrial intervention, to declare and defend our sovereignty, our freedom, and our independence from all extraterrestrial forces.
Let these violations be considered by those supporting the cause of freedom throughout the Greater Community:
Demands and Declarations
Accordingly, we, the People of Earth, do hereby declare all previously existing agreements or treaties between any human government, group, or individual and any extraterrestrials to be forthwith null, void, and permanently suspended. We demand that any such previously existing treaties or agreements be fully and publicly disclosed. Any future agreements or treaties between human governments, groups, or individuals and extraterrestrials must be negotiated only with the full consent of the People of Earth, publicly and openly expressed by an international democratic body representing the nations and peoples of Earth.
We demand that all extraterrestrials now cease all operations and activities and immediately vacate and depart from the Earth and its surroundings including the Sun, Earth’s Moon, and all planets of this Solar System. This includes vacating any natural or artificial satellites, as well as all space within the Solar System.
We demand that all extraterrestrial organizations who have established or operated bases on the Earth, its Moon, or anywhere else within this Solar System, dismantle these bases and fully disclose their nature.
We further demand that all living humans who are now in custody of extraterrestrials be returned immediately in good health; further, we demand a full accounting of all humans who have been taken or held by extraterrestrials, including those who have died in captivity. In addition, we demand that all human biological or genetic materials taken from any individuals be accounted for and destroyed, and their intended use be identified. Any devices implanted in living individuals must be identified so that they may be safely removed.
We demand full public disclosure of the purpose and details of the extraterrestrial hybridization program, including the location, identity, and activities of all living human-extraterrestrial hybrids, whether on Earth or elsewhere.
Be it known throughout the Universe that from this time forward, extraterrestrials may only enter our Solar System, approach our Earth, fly in our skies, set foot on our soil, or enter our waters with the explicit consent of the People of Earth.
We, therefore, do solemnly declare that the People of Earth are and should be a free and independent people; that all humans are hereby absolved from all allegiance to extraterrestrial powers, and that all political and economic connections between them and the People of Earth are totally dissolved; that as a free and sovereign race in the Greater Community of the Universe, we assume full power within this Solar System to conclude peace, levy war, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to undertake all other actions which a sovereign planetary race may rightfully and ethically do.
Let it be understood that in making this Declaration of Human Sovereignty, we, the People of Earth, affirm our future and destiny as a free race within a Greater Community of intelligent life. We recognize that we are a part of this Greater Community and that we are destined over time to encounter many different races from beyond our world.
To them and to all others, we hereby declare that our intention is not conquest or domination in space. We declare that the rights and privileges that we affirm here for ourselves, we also affirm for all races of beings whom we might encounter.
In making our Declaration of Human Sovereignty, we proclaim our rights, responsibilities, and privileges as a free race in order that we may pursue greater unity, peace, and cooperation within the human family without unwanted or unwarranted intrusion and interference by any outside nation or force from the Greater Community. We make this proclamation as an expression of our Divine right and honorable intent for the human family and for all races in the Universe who seek to be free.
It's comforting to see a legal document exists that we can use in the intergalactic court of law should the mean ETs take our planet and sovereignty illegally.
Well, I'm convinced!
I just hope the ET's honour this treaty we are proposing, as I'm sure you all know that in the not so distant future we will need all the Council races' help to defend Earth from the Reaper invasion.
;; I'm Commander Shepard, and I approve this message. ;;
So am I, Commander Shepard. But sorry Stud, big leap from god to angels talking to marshall, in his head, then onto aliens are taking over.
I am a tad concerned if the aliens just don't take any notice of said contract - devious little critters that they are, as is Milos - I just don't trust aliens when they are evil body snatchers. Honest, ethical, sweet, fun aliens are a different matter all together :D
Samuel Taylor Coleridge once said that in order to enjoy good fiction, one needs to learn to suspend disbelief, which is what I try to do as I read your posts. At first, I thought you were pulling our collective leg, but it's becoming more and more obvious that at least YOU believe strongly in what you are saying. You have long ago exceeded the effort/reward ratio of one knowingly perpetrating a hoax.
The law of averages implies that there are planetary systems out there billions of years older than ours, and I do not discount the possibility that there could well be a race of beings who have evolved abilities so far beyond our own that we cannot understand them, and being Human, and as such, relative newcomers to the realm of sentient beings, that which we cannot readily explain, we tend to call, "God."
I cannot, however, accept an actual, supernatural "god," nor any accompanying "angels." We relatively few Human beings who have come this far in terms of finally shaking off the shackles of belief in supernatural beings, will find it difficult, if not impossible, to voluntarily replace those shackles because of a few bouncing lights in the sky.
There is a story - and I'll be the first to agree that it may well be urban legend - of three American airmen, flying a recon plane during WW II, who experienced mechanical problems. They landed their light aircraft on a plateau spotted from the air on a remote Pacific island. They got out, repaired the problem, ate lunch from C-ration cans, which, not being particularly environmentally conscientious, they tossed aside on the ground, then took off. Years later, one of these men, retired and cruising the world on his sailboat, found himself in the vicinity of the island, and adhering as he was to no particular schedule, decided to make a sidetrip, for memory's sake, and visit their old landing site. He scaled the plateau, and once atop it, found a replica of his old recon plane, made of sticks and straw, and inside, in the "cockpit," he found the three, abandoned C-ration cans, reverently placed on the "seat." It seems that the island was in fact inhabited, by natives who hid in fear in the jungle, and watched as three gods descended from the sky, ate a meal, and ascended once again into the heavens. The stick and straw replica of their mysterious craft had been an object of worship ever since.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke
English physicist & science fiction author
I'll revisit my thinking in my disbelief in Santa Claus before I'll believe in any god.
Yeah, what archaeopteryx said! - cargo cult - but what the - no Santa Claus??? What about Goblins?
The President of USA, most powerful nation on earth, Ronald Reagan not only believed there was going to be an alien invasion, he also believed in Astrology, as did his wife.
The contract that Stud has here, is it like the Hitler-Chamberlain contract?
Someone has missed their vocation - fantastic document - you believe that et's can enter our body and control us, but they are going to take notice of what this document demands? This is the scenario for the next Sci-fi movie - it would make a mint.
Of COURSE there are Goblins Suzanne, I would never imply there weren't - but as I understand it, they're entirely confined, due to their fear of water, to the island continent of Australia, where they dine almost exclusively on Eucalyptus leaf salads, with Italian dressing and possibly a little chives and cherry tomatoes on the side.
Strike - you had me worried there for a bit - yes, they do have a fear of water - and their boat making skills are not the best - apparently, sometimes they use French dressing, and Fetta cheese and olives, when they can get them.
@Student - RE: "Ronald Reagan's speech before the entire panel of UN, alluding to alien invasion" - Do you have a link for that? I'd be interested in it if you do.
Don't know where the "Reply" buttons went, but I'm suspecting aliens were involved somehow.
Here is the link to an interesting scenario -
First of all, great find, Suzanne - I expected a link from Student, and it looks like we have several below your post, but I'm surprised that you, not he, came up with one first.
In the 1970's anthropologist Desmond Morris wrote a book, The Naked Ape, around the same time, Robert Ardry wrote The Territorial Imperative. In one of those two books - I don't recall which, but it most likely was Morris - the author came up with what he called a sociological formula, amity = enmity + hazard. He explained this as the degree to which two groups form an alliance is equal to the amount of enmity they originally had, but were willing to set aside to mutually cope with a hazard. His example was an island in a river during a forest fire, on which one may well find cougars, rabbits and deer (Oh my!), yet they exist there in harmony, due to the mutual hazard of the fire. Once the fire is extinguished, or has passed by, and the animals regain shore, it's business as usual, but for that brief time, they all live in peaceful coexistence.
I wonder, could Reagan have been trying to manufacture such a crisis, to achieve global cohesion? I don't know, but it's worth considering.