I've had two discussions with Christian blogger, David Vogel, both concerning morality and religion. You can view them at the following locations: 



These aren't attempts to demolish each other's points of view, just to understand them.

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I watched the first one.

I made a post on David's thread about this if interested.

Essentially, you did an excellent job of explaining your view point...and David tended to state his feelings, but not supply support for them, so it was essentially him interviewing you.  I thought he did a good job interviewing you, and, liked his style and approach, with the caveat about his actual positions.


In the second video it is more me asking him about his belief, particularly with regard to the Bible and morality. Thanks for watching.

The second was over an hour long, I may never have that much time to watch a vid...so, I hate to say it, but I might miss that one unless bedridden or something.


What was your take away on it?

You're right that it's length is intimidating. Probably it should be in two parts: We first talked about whether believing in the one God is considered a moral virtue by a Christian and then whether the Biblical faiths, which place belief and worship of the one God above all else is conveying a moral message. David admitted that moral behavior is not the most important message of the Bible and that one could learn morals just as well or better elsewhere, and that one need not read the Bible nor believe in God to be moral. The second part of the video discusses why, if God built belief in one God into humans, for most of human history this was not even a concept held by most humans. David gave an answer from his Christian perspective, which essentially said that, because of the original fall of man, humans understood God imperfectly for most of history. You might want to check with him to be sure I interpreted him correctly.

Interesting, as if built in, there would be no need of interpretation, and, the Catholic Church, which claims to be god's representative here on earth, and who supplied 100% of known Christianity's documentation, interprets more "gods" than many traditionally polytheistic religions.

IE: Saints, Demons, Satan, Assorted ranks of angels, Jesus, His Father, The Holy Ghost, etc...

Also, the Christians say you can't know the mind of god (And he works in mysterious ways, etc)...so, how do they know he was perfectly, or imperfectly, understood, now, or, earlier in history?

Might it be a bit of a reach to say that NOW they understand him, PERFECTLY?


If they understand him PERFECTLY, now, then they should start telling the little children with cancer why they need to die that way, and the starving why they should starve to death, and so forth.

Saying "Its god's will" is not an answer, if the will is understood, the rationale behind these types of choices god seems to make would be a relief to the afflicted, and tell them their purpose in life (They obviously make the world a better place if their loving god made them die over a long period of agony...for SOME reason...or why would a loving god torture them to death, unless their agony and misery and finally death, helped the world?) 

So, yeah, maybe I should confirm with David.



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