So I have this younger cousin who posted to facebook how the end of the world is near and prophecies have come true and to look it all up for yourself blah blah. So I engaged in debate with him, my opening question being "what are you smoking?". He replies "lol it's true look it up". So after our discussion, this one actually admitted he would change his views if say certain prophecies do not come to pass or certain events as laid out in bible did not take place. So just to keep the open short and sweet, what is the most probable silver bullet in that realm I could fire at him? Now mind you, it is not lost upon me the obvious doubt inherent in the religious changing their mind. I mean the kid thinks that neanderthal brows are enlarged because the atmosphere was heavier back then and allowed them to live the hundreds of years it would require for the brow to grow that large. Also that upright trees through different layers of strata show a young earth and not the billions of years most accept. So..yeah. But still he's my cousin so I'm wasting my breath.. Gimme whatcha think.
I got this off a Jewish website years back. Some of them are arguable, but most of them aren't. The Messiah is supposed to be a real king who directly and immediately changes the world. Jesus wasn't all that close.
Prophecy Jesus didn't fulfill
* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)
* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot
* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)
* Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)
* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)
Send him this link. Here is a list of hundreds of prophecies that didn't come true (the end of the world is near). Most of these guys are shocked that the world didn't end and often go on to predict another date. As we are still here...their second prediction clearly was a flop as well.
But don't expect this to put much of a dent in his theory as he can fill any hole any way he wants. He likely has very deep knots that need untying. Try to be patient, ask him lots of unloaded questions and avoid all signs of aggression, put downs and frustration. This is all very important if you want to get through to him.
So after our discussion, this one actually admitted he would change his views if say certain prophecies do not come to pass or certain events as laid out in bible did not take place.
This is a burden of proof fallacy. The claimant must prove with evidence that prophecies came to pass and events in the Bible took place; it does not fall to you to disprove it. (Note that the Bible is the claim, not the evidence.)
But assuming you accept the gigantic handicap he's offering...
So just to keep the open short and sweet, what is the most probable silver bullet in that realm I could fire at him?
...we can begin with several predictions as to cosmology which are found in Genesis. The Bible declares that the "firmament" (also known as "Heaven") is a solid dome which holds up an immense ocean....
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven."
...and the Bible says the sun, moon and stars are "lights" attached to the underside of the firmament (which is heaven where God lives)...
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good."
...all of which presents the creationist with numerous problems. We've been to the sky. We know it's not a firmament, not holding up an ocean, and not heaven. We've been to the moon. We know it's a reflector and not a light. We know that stars are not lights "set in" a firmament that does not exist.
The Bible with its opening statements makes a (rather ridiculous) failure to predict even the most simple discoveries about the nature of the sky.
Now mind you, it is not lost upon me the obvious doubt inherent in the religious changing their mind.
It might be better to focus your efforts on this: exposing the non-falsifiability of his claims.
Tell him he's right and then go do something productive with your time...life is short why waste it?
My suggestion is to look on youtube simple explanations on "human chromosome 2." This almost certainly proves evolution and disproves creation. No creation then no Garden of Eden. No Garden of Eden no original sin. No original sin no prophecy of a savior...thus, no Jesus. Good luck
Thanks for all the suggestions, Gallup your response excels as usual. I'm really hunting the puzzle piece that fits into his preconceived notions so I'm gonna hit him with some of this and see if I can not refine what I'm missing.
Gregg..because he is my family, that is why.
Most people after their teen years are pretty much set on their path and wont make any serious changes. There are exceptions of course but for the vast majority of humans it holds true. Focus your energy on saving the middle school and under crowd from a lifetime of religious servitude. Those you have a shot with.