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Permalink Reply by Guardian, past and present. on April 24, 2009 at 9:44pm

The point of my replies had you been paying attention, Sir.

The point of the replies was to point out the errors in both parties. Not only that, but you are concentrating on a use of a word, that was already explained in full. A doctrine, or dogma is a series of beliefs strung together to formulate a main or theorized ideal, of the belief. In this case, the many hundreds of religions.

Atheism, as you claim, is a statement of unbelief of theism, or any religion there-in. However this being so, makes it also a statement of belief that theist is in the wrong. If someone is an Atheist, do they have the right belief? or does the other few thousand beliefs?

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Permalink Reply by Nelson on April 24, 2009 at 10:15pm

i paid attention. i responded to your ill-formed unevidenced assertions. you haven't responded to anything i've said.

you've not pointed out the errors in both parties. i asked if you disagree that Christians are only rarely intellectually honest about what they believe and how they arrive at that belief, in fact you can call this the third time i'm asking, and you haven't replied. you didn't point to any errors in atheism. you've merely asserted that "atheism" isn't free of errors. i've asked you what those errors might be. you've ignored that question too.
concentrating on the use of what word and where was it explained in full? a doctrine or dogma is dictated by an authority and is accepted unquestioningly. it is unchanging. where does atheism have anything like that? just keep tossing out these tired old canards, like slow pitch softball, we'll hit 'em right back at your chest! lol.

as i claim? you disagree that atheism is simple lack of belief? let's be on the same page then. what is your definition of atheism? i won't hold my breath for an answer. you don't answer direct questions, do you.
i am an atheist because, according to the proper definition, i lack belief in gods. according to your definition, if i were a republican that would necessarily be a statement that the democrats are wrong. does that mean that the republican party constitutes a religion? oh wait, i know, that's another question- it won't get answered either.
do atheists have the right belief? which belief? atheists have many many beliefs. you mean do we have the right belief that belief in god is unevidenced? gee, i don't know "Sir", do you have any evidence to show me to make me think there is a god and therefore belief in god is right?
you're the one making the positive claim Cupcake. show me evidence or admit that it's a matter of faith no more or less substantiated than any other religion's god.

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Permalink Reply by Atheist Ninja on April 24, 2009 at 11:24pm

Troll cake is served, get it while it's fresh!

Permalink Reply by Guardian, past and present. on April 25, 2009 at 9:40am

Just as I have, watch you follow the path, unfortunately the wrong one. Would you like help, to remain on the right topic?

Above is a prime example, of what is done below, and all around the world and online. That one, believes with all his or her heart, soul and mind that he or she is right, beyond doubt and therefore questions the beliefs of others, in your case, Christianity.

In fact, in your post you have, placed your belief, or faith whichever you prefer, in the (so called)fact that Christians are very rarely intellectually honest. Which not only proves the point earlier, but also gives to it another example of the belief that is held to in this debate.

Unfortunately for you, Atheism has named (so said) leading authorities, of them one stands out like a sore thumb, Richard Dawkins. But, also, one can name himself the authority of his ro her belief, becoming the dictating force of his or her, personal belief, doctrine, and so on.

And lastly, i need not answer the question for one, because I would fall to the same vary thing you have, the belief.(Of, or like you say "lack of") Thank you for admitting that the choice to belief in Atheism, or the belief that it is true, is a matter of faith no more, or less substantiated than any other religion, including that of Atheism.

Permalink Reply by Guardian, past and present. on April 25, 2009 at 10:42am

Wrong area my apologies.

Permalink Reply by Dave G on April 24, 2009 at 11:30pm

Atheism is just the lack of a belief in a god or gods. That's it. It is no more a religion than bald is a hair color or not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Say, for example, that Person A does not believe in UFOs, as there is no credible evidence for their existence. Does that make that person's disbelief a religion?

To lack belief in something until sufficient evidence is presented to justify belief is the default position. You do not believe (I assume) in gas-based intelligent beings that live in the upper atmosphere of Jupiter and communicate with chosen humans via telepathy, and your lack of belief does not constitute a religion, nor would your belief that someone proclaiming that said beings exist, but cannot provide evidence, was making an unsupported claim and thus there was no reason to believe it.

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Permalink Reply by Guardian, past and present. on April 25, 2009 at 9:43am

Sir, please refer to the dictionary. Well, considering that is rather futile hope to think that you would open the dictionary, let me post one of the many definitions.

"A body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs or practices."

Permalink Reply by Guardian, past and present. on April 25, 2009 at 10:43am

Sir, Doone.

You are the epitome, of a religion, though it is Atheism. Not only, tha, but you wildly assume that I am Christian, based off what do you come to this claim?


Although, I have no belief, is this the first representation of Atheism you wish me to have?

Permalink Reply by Dave G on April 25, 2009 at 10:42pm

Personal insults? So soon?

The definition you give for religion, "A body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs or practices.", is only a portion (at best) of the definition listed in any of the dictionaries I referenced.

Merriam-Webster:
1 a: the state of a religious b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): comm...

Permalink Reply by Mac on April 25, 2009 at 12:46pm

Wow, this has heated up somewhat....first a thank you for all the CONSTRUCTIVE posts, as to the others, (one person in particular), I fear that we may have digressed somewhat from the point of the original post.

GPP: I could waste half an hour of my day pointing out the various flaws and weaknesses in some of your arguments, however if I am being honest I doubt it would have any effect on your opinion. I thank everybody who has attempted to reason with you however I feel that all your rambling is nothing more than a smoke screen and a way of avoiding the original question. So I will ask you but one question.

How do you justify your (or anybody elses), belief in Duter. and Levit. If you could keep your response to a couple of lines or so I think everybody would appreciate it....
P.S. Try answering the question posed rather than waffling on about interpretation or poor syntax.

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Permalink Reply by Guardian, past and present. on April 25, 2009 at 5:22pm

Heated up, might be alittle to relaxed for what has happened, and currently happening. Perhaps, perhaps not depending on what one is perceiving in this debate, though it might be lucky to be considered such now.

Mac, be my guest. I'm not going to hold you back and further the point I have previously made. Like, within, your very post, you believe that they, are trying to reason with me. Thus implying, that i do not contain reason? Let me tell you this, the more you try, the harder it becomes for me to believe that Atheism, is as good as it is portrayed. (Do you see that point? Or shall i make it clearer?)

The way, one justifies their belief is the same way you justify your belief, as such, they such their reason and logic to find the hidden meaning, or truth within their ability. (as previously said, I do not have a belief and have come here exploring)

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Permalink Reply by Guardian, past and present. on April 26, 2009 at 10:45am

To be or not to be? Whether one chooses the first or the last, he chooses. In the Case of the Easter bunny, you would have choose to not to believe, either way you still believe in something, whether it is for or against the said object or thing.

If a child said believe in the mythological being known as Father Christmas or Santa Claus, and you did not does that mean it is mythological? The figure portrayed in today's world is mythological, however the rumor is not. There a man, a source for this "rumor" that started so long ago. In this case, a Catholic Priest, known as Saint Nicolas.

Atheism is freedom from irrationality of religion? It might very well be, however who are you to judge what rationality and logic is? This are all, preconceived ideals, of what this is, when you have no prove listed showing that it is, indeed, irrational.

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