I read posts here that call different things, "harmful to humanity." Others call something, "good" or "bad" or "evil."
A very simple question, who gets to decide the definition of "harmful to humanity" and what is there critieria? The same for "good," "bad," and "evil?" These are not material terms. If everything is material isn't there just "is" and not these moral declarations if one is being thoroughly atheist?
Help me understand your position so I am fair and honest about the views. Thanks.
Yes, Dogly, American factory farms often mistreat animals and, as you've said, they are fined and some have been forced to close - all evidence that this poor behavior can be policed.
Now, what are you going to do about the American secret prisons where human beings are tortured? Surely you don't pay any income tax, right? I mean, if you do, then you support torture of human beings - and they aren't even killed most the time - they are left to wander through life as destroyed people afterward. WHERE IS YOUR HUMANITY, mwuhahahahaha!
Red Herring. I am not supporting or promoting secret prisons. I work against them. Your posts are getting sillier and more desperate.
So I'm bang on target with the fact that policing the meat industry is more effective than abolition?
Because policing the slave trade created several rather infamous legal paradoxes - while, as dogly pointed out, policing of the meat industry is very effective.
@ Heather Spoonheim ---- "Because policing the slave trade created several rather infamous legal paradoxes - while, as dogly pointed out, policing of the meat industry is very effective." I SAID NO SUCH THING!!! How dare you misquote me in your tireless attack on John Major? You follow key words, from site to site, and from Care2 to here. Every time the words 'vegan, animal rights, compassionate diet', and other key words are typed, you suddenly troll on in. You use exactly the same canned phrases cut and pasted from the industry group that supports industries that are based on animal exploitation. Members include the.fur industry , dairy industry, meat industry, sealing industry, hunting industry, puppy mills, and product testing industry, etc.. And you use their words, exactly the same words as Dianne uses. Has anyone noticed? It is industry propaganda designed to silence any person relating his own decision to live with compassion for the other of animals.
You have used fear by listing fictional medical conditions you say are caused by vegan diets. You have accused people of trying to force you to do something. You have twisted people's words before, but to directly misquote me is so patently dishonest, as to sicken me.
The meat industry is NOT well regulated! It is impossible to regulate! The only reason any fines or closures took place was thanks to brave undercover whistle blowers who risked their lives and freedom to film the horrifying abuses in factory farms, and slaughterhouses. These videos were given to the USDA and the media. If the media had not shown the images - nothing would have been done by the USDA. The meat industry has tried to push through special laws to make it a felony to film anything in an animal use industry facility. Some such laws have passed, others are found unconstitutional. Why, if the industries that exploit animals are so humanely operated and well regulated, does the industry need to hire trolls, and propose legislation to silence opposition and bury evidence?
Even though we may not all share the same opinions. We might hope that those who come to this site to converse with our atheist friends are not battered with industry propaganda, outright lies, and callous, hostile trolls.
Dogly replied to Heather snippet): Even though we may not all share the same opinions. We might hope that those who come to this site to converse with our atheist friends are not battered with industry propaganda, outright lies, and callous, hostile trolls.
Oh boy. Shit's gonna rain done now.
I was just pointing out what you said in this very thread. You stated, clearly, that policing of the meat industry has lead to heavy fines and even shut downs - read YOUR OWN words: http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/my-atheist-friends-help-me...
Now, you state that I have suggested the vegan diet causes some medical conditions and, further, you have stated that such medical conditions are fictional. Please give me a perma-link to where I stated that the vegan diet causes ANY medical condition (real or fictional) please.
This is the problem with you devotees - you just don't know the difference between fact and impassioned argument. This is why no one takes you seriously.
Don't assume that simply because they engender laughter and anger that they must necessarily go on to becoming common sense. There is no necessity to that progression.
I like to think there is no good nor bad. What's good for me might be bad for you and vise versa. And if you think that the end of the world is bad, then I ask you, bad in comparin to what? When all is said and done, and the universe ends, there was no point, so who's to say whats good or bad? No one, thats who, because there is no good, and there is no bad.
So, Andrew, does this mean that an atheist does not have any reason to accept any position as ethical or unethical?