My Atheist Friends, Help Me Understand
I read posts here that call different things, "harmful to humanity." Others call something, "good" or "bad" or "evil."
A very simple question, who gets to decide the definition of "harmful to humanity" and what is there critieria? The same for "good," "bad," and "evil?" These are not material terms. If everything is material isn't there just "is" and not these moral declarations if one is being thoroughly atheist?
Help me understand your position so I am fair and honest about the views. Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on -
@Unseen (One can only wish --) - I assume you're referring to situational ethics - personally, I would never step on a worm, and I would administer first aid to a wounded enemy soldier, and have.
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Permalink Reply by Unseen on -
You want a pat on the head? Good boy!
No, I was referring to the fact that whenever people say ethics is based on empathy they forget that empathy isn't a cosmic constant. One person will have pangs of conscience over something (whether they should or not) and someone else won't give it a thought.
Situational ethics is a joke, isn't it? You either conform your behavior to a standard of some sort or you're just doing what you want to do, which isn't ethical behavior in any sense of the word.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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Don't touch my head, you don't know me that well!
RE: "Situational ethics is a joke, isn't it? You either conform your behavior to a standard of some sort or you're just doing what you want to do, which isn't ethical behavior in any sense of the word."
No, it isn't. I will not, as mentioned above, step on a worm, but - depending on the situation (i.e., "situational ethics") - I will kill a man before I will allow him to kill me.
Much like Chewbacca, the word, "wrong," really isn't in your vocabulary, is it?
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Permalink Reply by Unseen on
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If you didn't want to kill the man for some overriding reason, you wouldn't kill him.
What do you mean "wrong" isn't in my vocabulary? I just used it in a sentence! And not just for the first time.
If you mean that I don't think anything is ever wrong, no I don't believe that. What I do believe is that nothing is ever really wrong in any kind of cosmic sense. Things are wrong in a way contingent on a time, a place, and person with a unique personal history.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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I think we both know I mean that YOU could be wrong, and yes, I know that that concept is not in your vocabulary.
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Permalink Reply by Dogly on -
Unseen, do you mean "conscious"? Aware? Or did you mean "conscience", that basket in which we file our chosen ethics and principles?
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Permalink Reply by Unseen on
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I meant "conscience." thanks for pointing that out. I suspect, given the context, most people probably figured that out. I know that when I read another poster making a similar mistake, I end up understanding what they intended to say.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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@Lonely - RE: "how we can easily deceive it?"
I don't believe this is what you meant to say - re-read your post and re-phrase, if necessary.
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Permalink Reply by thelonely on -
@archaeopteryx
deceive or mislead as if when a human does wrong things (not moral) he knows that is wrong and not moral even though he does it intentionally.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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I'm sorry Lonely - I think you know me well enough by now, to know that I would never make fun of you because of the language barrier (despite what "Molly" might think), but I truly do not understand what you're saying. Could you possibly rephrase and repeat?
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Permalink Reply by thelonely on
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yes i know you well,so this morality if it is a concept inside us we easily relate to it in our judgement or our deeds,and as human we are defining our selves moral being how in the same time we did the wrong and we know that is wrong that's why ppl blame and feel regret if so this moral is in human built system and human is moral by nature.if not and this morality is from out side we learned it before or family obligation or social obligation so how could this morality easyly communicate with our conscience as if in side or inner and deep? can any person make a status for him self different to the what we called ethic or moral and he or she lives in peace with him or herself without what we called conscience blame him or feel regret or even sorry??i am asking to start the discussion not to make fan and you know me.
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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on -
@thelonely
You are avoiding the difficult question, Lonely; what makes ethics/morality different than economics? How is what you just said any different than how a person feels about paying too high of a price for something? I mean they wanted it, so they bought it, but then later regretted what they paid because they know they paid too much. Did a god instill this sense of value in us?
Why do you have such difficulty seeing ethics/morality as a social construct?
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