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Permalink Reply by Nelson on December 29, 2011 at 9:52pm

This doesn't appear to be an argument against the existence of god so much as an argument that god is a dick. (Though certainly you're sniffing around the Logical Problem of Evil) And you're unlikely to get many theists to argue with here as they're are only a 2 to 4 posting regularly right now. And that's more than we usually have given that this is an atheist/agnostic community.

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Permalink Reply by Don Leonard on December 29, 2011 at 11:50pm

I agree that there arent many theists on this site. Was just giving my thoughts on a topic I would like to confront a theist about their loving caring god. I also agree this is more along the lines of proving their god a evil being. The whole concept of religion just pisses me off. My fiance sends her 4yr old daughter to this group thing at a local church that makes them memorize bible verses. I usually have to bite my tongue but a few times ive spoken out how I disagree with the whole thing. Im so sick of hearing her mom read to her how much god loves her. Maybe I will have to post another discussion on here about this topic

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Permalink Reply by Michael Gage on December 29, 2011 at 10:08pm

I can say a few general types of responses you would get based on my own conversations. I'm not overly impressed by any of them.

1. They will say God isn't really sending your cousing to Hell. Rather, he chose to go to Hell.
2. Catholics may fall back on purgatory. I'm not familiar with their doctrine on that point.
3. They may downplay Hell as eternal separation from God, rather than torture.
4. Or, my personal favorite, since God is an infinite being, any wrong done to him is worthy of infinite punishment. (yeah, I don't know what that means either)

 

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Permalink Reply by Don Leonard on December 30, 2011 at 1:10am

I suppose these are typical christian answers but are all ridiculous. Being an ex-catholic Im fully aware of the "myth" of purgatory. Its amazes me that people believe you go to a place when you commit lesser sins. They say you can hear everyone in heaven like they are on the other side of a door but you cannot feel gods love. I wish the catholic church would just admit they made this up but that wont happen. And the idea that any wrong done to him is worty of infinite punishment is bullshit. In the old testament if you so much as pick up a stick on the sabbath you should be killed. Is there any pleasing this monster?

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Permalink Reply by Clary Fernell on December 29, 2011 at 10:11pm

Michael Gage: Yes, generally in Catholisicm unconfessed minor sins mean purgatory -> heaven eventually.

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Permalink Reply by 3equ3cp1fsw0n on December 30, 2011 at 12:01am

Tis true. Most Christians believe that nonsense. I had a best friend from the age of 16 to the age of 35. We ended our friendship because she got religion and told me that my interests were "of the devil" because I was dabbling in new age belief systems at the time. 

A couple weeks ago, on her Facebook she put a post that said "Good people don't go to heaven, only saved people go to heaven."

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Permalink Reply by Don Leonard on December 30, 2011 at 1:18am

It sounds like your friend is seriously brainwashed. I dont understand how women can be believers anyways considering how the bible treats them. The early church fathers pretty much compared women to shit. Even Martin Luther said if women die during childbirth so be it...thats what they are there for. Paul makes it obvious in his epistles he isnt fond of women but since most christians never read the bible they will never know it.

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Permalink Reply by Ron V on December 30, 2011 at 1:33pm

I feel sorry for your friend- this is the type of religious nonsense/propaganda that truly does harden hearts and enslave minds.

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