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Permalink Reply by Duke Webelos on January 8, 2011 at 4:37pm

Also, I hope she damn well lives just to prove to those who might try this that they will fail... and those around her will be imbued to strengthen this nation while upholding all that free people believe in.

 

That was not an act of freedom or resistance. That was an act of tyranny.

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Permalink Reply by Becca on January 8, 2011 at 4:37pm

I got my TV on C-SPAN right now. I hope the best for Giffords and the other victims and their families.

 

I can't help but wonder what the fall out from this incident is going to be. It will also be interesting to learn about the motivations for this attack. I'm sure there is some sort of political motivation but I don't want to speculate until there's more evidence. The political tension in this country is scary... it was only a matter or time and I don't think it's going to get better anytime soon.

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Permalink Reply by Becca on January 8, 2011 at 4:59pm

I've been keeping my eye on Arizona because it is such a hot bead for political tension right now. I can't believe some of the crap they have been trying to pull especially in regards to education (since that's a topic near and dear to me).

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Permalink Reply by Keith J. on January 8, 2011 at 5:53pm

Yeah.  It seems to me that he was a nutjob.  I still think that he may have been provoked by the anger inciting tea party/libertarian rhetoric.  I suspect that certain republicans will insist that he was simply insane and lacking any reason.

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Permalink Reply by Cecilia on January 8, 2011 at 8:22pm

You can find plenty of atheists who are nutjobs and hold whacky worldviews.  To be an atheist means only that you don't believe in the existence of god or gods.  Doesn't mean that someone who is an atheist can't believe that, say, the government is controlling him with "silent radio."  It seems that this guy did have some whacked out views and did hold some views that might be considered "progressive" - I think he is, clearly, quite mentally disturbed and that he may be something of a Ron Paul-style libertarian (or is that redundant??)

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Permalink Reply by Steven on January 9, 2011 at 3:24am

Maybe we should reserve judgment a little more. I see that the posts before this video were attacking the tea party. Lets support reason, not bashing. On that note, it  is rare to see an atheist nut job shoot people up... 

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Permalink Reply by Cecilia on January 9, 2011 at 7:25am

I agree but I do think that the Tea Party does have 2 wings:  a libertarian wing (whose adherents do embrace some policies that would be considered progressive, e.g., drugs) and the religious right wing. [ As an aside, I think the Tea Party's two wings are ultimately incompatible which is why in the long term they won't gain much traction and the Tea Party candidates elected will end up being more of the same old, same old Republicans.]  Don't know if Loughner considered himself a Tea Partier but his views, the ones we know so far, seem to be in accord with the libertarian/Ron Paul wing of the Tea Party.  I think that it is important to understand this - already the right is using this guy to bash the left.  And he is no way a liberal

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Permalink Reply by Cecilia on January 8, 2011 at 8:54pm

Totally...but we can certainly come up countless instances where a person of god killed a 9 year old child or a child of any age!!  And I'd bet my last dollar 

that, absent mental illness, many more children are killed by believers than non-believers!!

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Permalink Reply by Keith J. on January 9, 2011 at 12:31am

Perhaps Republicans will be projecting their own faults onto Loughner if they call him insane.

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Permalink Reply by Ryan E. Hoffman on January 8, 2011 at 5:57pm

They can spin this any way they want to. Sarah Palin and other major Tea Party members are responsible. They should be tried, convicted, and sentenced, and then sued so they come out penniless.

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Permalink Reply by Ryan E. Hoffman on January 8, 2011 at 6:49pm

Bob Franken just equated the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords to Vietnam War protests. That is the most heinous false equivalency I have ever seen.

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Permalink Reply by Ryan E. Hoffman on January 9, 2011 at 1:32am

I hope somebody else calls him out on that. I have my disagreements with Today's left, but not half as many as I have with Today's right.

 

Somebody asked me recently about what it felt like to be a libertarian today. My response, "I imagine it's a lot like what Trotsky felt like when he saw what Stalin was doing to Socialism".

 

FUCK! THE! TEA PARTY!

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