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Permalink Reply by Unseen on November 1, 2011 at 12:30pm

I agree on the rights things. I just don't think we need to deny a rather obvious scientific fact in order to give women reproductive rights. Is an alligator a member of the alligator species only when it jailbreaks its shell?

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on November 4, 2011 at 10:02pm

I don't know any person that seriously argues that human embryos are not human. At least, no one of any note.

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Permalink Reply by Dave G on November 6, 2011 at 2:18am

An embryo certainly is human in that it has a full set of human DNA. But then, so do the drops of blood that seep out when I cut myself. 

Sentience is the key point in my mind.

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on November 6, 2011 at 7:29am

I couldn't agree more, evil twin.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on November 6, 2011 at 10:47am

The difference is that one is an organism (the embryo) and the other is merely a body part. A HUMAN body part.

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Permalink Reply by Dave G on November 7, 2011 at 2:41pm

And neither one is a sentient being.

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Permalink Reply by Matt Novak on November 1, 2011 at 12:53pm

Personally, I fell like a person would be a person when it could live on its own, and not attached to the mother for breathing or the umbilical chord... I mean I really do think that the abortion law should be decided by women... It IS a woman's body and does NOT belong to the state... So They should decide, because as men, the worst thing we go through is a kick in the balls (which hurts like fuuuck) and we would not want a law created by women saying that people can just kick us in the balls whenever.  I know it is a different situation all together, but it does have some similarities, like the fact that people are trying to control our bodies... That is just me personally, but I DO doubt that Roe v Wade will ever be overturned, no matter what people say

 

Though, also, if the 'pro-lifers' (which are not actually pro-life, since they are pro-capital punishment and so on)... But if the 'pro-lifers' put a tenth of their time and money into education and helping the poor and so on, they could do Wonders with cutting down abortions...

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Permalink Reply by basement kitteh on November 2, 2011 at 2:55pm

I agree with Matt.

As long as it's attached to the womb of someone, and is not viable outside it's environment inside someone else's body, it's not a person yet. A woman should have the right to decide whether or not she wants to be pregnant. (Note how the UN human rights declarations have never said anything about 1) the right to decide whether one has sex. Hello consensual sex... and 2) whether or not one breeds).

That said, a man should have the option to not be forced to pay child support when a woman oopses him. And I think DNA testing should be mandatory also for married couples before assuming the paternity of anyone.

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Permalink Reply by Ralph Oswald on November 4, 2011 at 8:54pm

I also agree with Matt here. When a child's life is viable outside of the womb is my concept of when life begins, however I would never impose that belief upon any woman. I didn't do it when a girlfriend told me twenty years ago that she was pregnant and that she could not conscionably go through with the pregnancy and raise a child at that time in her life. We were no longer together when she informed me and neither of us was in any position to support a new life. Regardless of the regrets we might feel today, it was the right decision. It was her decision.

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on November 1, 2011 at 2:41pm

Life is a continuum that began billions of years ago.  

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Permalink Reply by Dave G on November 6, 2011 at 2:22am

Or as Sagan would say, "Billions and billions of years ago"

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Permalink Reply by Reggie on November 6, 2011 at 7:36am

With Sagan cadence and enunciation!

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