I am a Christian theist, and I am inviting atheists to talk with me about the nose in our face.

I read this text in your website:

[quote] Think Atheist is your safe place to come out and learn how to have a dialog with friends, family, and strangers about your belief that the world was not created but is in its current state because of complicated and beautifully unguided processes. [/quote]

You are saying that the nose came about by unguided processes?


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1) It looks like you wrote this before you ever got a response from us.

2) You make an accusation that atheists are always (therefor in this case as well) manipulating concepts to reach conclusions. You can't just say that and not provide an example from this thread.

3) You say that intelligent people see through it. Alright, so clearly you've got Stephen Hawking on the ropes as far as intelligence, right?

4) "I have not read all your posts here"... then you couldn't possibly be making an informed response. And what do you mean by 'most of you are always into frivolities'? You don't know us and have no basis for 'always' either.

5)"nothing indicative of intelligent thinking on facts", except you didn't read all the responses, so how would you know.

6) "Very clever at manipulating concepts and words to fool yourselves, and imagine that you can fool other people whose intelligence is still intact and immune to self-deceit."
Firstly this contradicts your claim that our intelligence is not intact, since it requires intelligence to be clever. Secondly this whole statement is pure troll and I wouldn't be surprised if you cut and run now. (Just in case you didn't get it, that was reverse psychology and you're supposed to be goaded into staying and actually discussing now.)
I don't think he's got the stones to respond...

True... doesn't even have the stones to read all the responses.

What adherents of the Abrahamic religions have a hard time grasping is cosmological, geological and evolutionary time scales.  This is not surprising, given the 6000-year time-frame for biblically-derived time scales.

 

"The theory of evolution by natural selection".  Evolution is a fact.  It's natural selection that's a theory . . . but it's so overwhelmingly confirmed by evidence, that there's little doubt that it is the actual mechanism of evolution.

 

Evolution has had 3.5 billion years to produce the variety of life we see on Earth.  Why single out the nose?  What about the ears or eyes?  Just because you haven't tried to understand evolution doesn't mean it's not true.

 

Genetics, when considered in context of millions or even billions of years, is not a difficult concept to grasp.  Instead of taking the lazy way out, you should try to fill the voids of your ignorance with the information freely available on the Internet.

 

Your position seems to be: "I don't want to spend the effort to learn about the world I live in.  Therefore, God did it."

 

Our understanding is far from complete.  We know there's much we don't understand.  Certainty is reserved for religion.  Who needs facts when you can skate by on authority?

 

As Bertrand Russell said, "In the modern world, the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

 

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The nose on your face came about by natural selection, which is not an 'unguided' process. And at least one man, Tycho Brahe, had a nose that was created by intelligent design.
An excellent point. He was also eliminated by natural selection as the behavioral anomaly to hold one's urine until their bladder burst was not a beneficial one.
On a slightly more serious note, firstly welcome to the site!

Secondly, evolution does not claim that there is or isn't a god. It simply describes a process, supported by evidence and observation, by which biodiversity could occur that made no assertion for or against the existence of the supernatural, and did not require it.

To argue for ID, you must first argue for the designer(s). If this assertion cannot be backed up with evidence, as the burden of proof would fall on the shoulders of the person making the positive claim, then it can not be built upon to support an ID claim.

As doone pointed out, the nose exists in many many forms of nose or olfactory sensors that aren't a nose. So in that light, which nose are we talking about, and why that nose in particular instead of another?
Pachomius. Is this who you think you are, or some more arcane reference?
What you Christians fail to understand (and what I didn't understand while I was Christian) is that these problems have already been worked out by scientists. Of course, you can rely on ID and creationist arguments if you like, but if you really want to talk with us about things like the nose on our face, you should probably investigate what biologists have already written about it. There are full, satisfying explanations for things like the nose and the eyes. These questions do not stump or mystify us. We understand the process that is, yes, unguided, and have taken the time to research the mechanism of evolution.
My nose smells a troll!
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