I am a Christian theist, and I am inviting atheists to talk with me about the nose in our face.

I read this text in your website:

[quote] Think Atheist is your safe place to come out and learn how to have a dialog with friends, family, and strangers about your belief that the world was not created but is in its current state because of complicated and beautifully unguided processes. [/quote]

You are saying that the nose came about by unguided processes?


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I suggest you read up about natural selection.  It's not random (or in your words "unguided").  It's just not explained by a big magic man who lives invisibly up in the sky, but instead by a slow process where certain useful genes survive and those that are less useful (or harmful, etc.) don't, and is at least partially determined by the type of plant/animal and its environment.  Now, if something seems just too complex to have developed in this manner and thus "must" have had a creator, then you have the question of where this even more complex creator came from.  You have to keep moving up in levels of complexity to find even more complicated explanations, which is illogical.  I remind you of the acronym KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid).   

I think the nose is as much evidence of how evolution works as the selection involved in breeding dogs. The process of various types of selection are right there. Dog selection isn't ALL artificial. Wolves turned into a primitive kind of dog when those who stuck close to humans lived longer by scavenging food from us. Their fight or flight radius became small enough for us to begin breeding them for specific traits. Voila! Dogs! We turned foxes into a domesticated "dog" like breed in just ten years of selection. In the wild, the ones selecting are mates and predators and prey instead of humans. For that monkey, the nose attracts mates and intimidates rivals. So only males with the biggest noses are breeding and having offspring that inherit that trait. It's simple logic. So the answer is YES. But "unguided" doesn't mean accidental or by chance.

So...uhhh...did the "eye design" argument run its course?

Thank you. ;D

Yes thanks - very good   - that is definetely an answer - I am eagerly awaiting a response.

Why is this even a debate? Even the Vatican recognizes evolution now.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4588289/The-Vat...

I tell it because, all these years churches have been saying how wrong evolution is and those who "believe" in it  are sinners etc. Now that they admit they were wrong about evolution what else are they wrong about.... Might wake a few people up.

Divine boogers!  Hahaha!

Man.. is it just me or all the best discussions started by theists lately?

Probably not their intent, but it is ours. TA exists to get and keep people thinking. Every time one of these people saunter in, we just become even more knowledgeable and educated. 

Keep it up guys. Great work! 

I sincerely wish that I could follow this conversation but I can't take the onslaught of irrelevant responses.

Ah creationists, gotta luv 'em.  like playing chess with a pigeon.  "but what about the second law of thermodynamics, and the overwhelming evidence for a global flood, and morality, and bananas, ...and...and..."

I read this text in your website:

[quote] Think Atheist is your safe place to come out and learn how to have a dialog with friends, family, and strangers about your belief that the world was not created but is in its current state because of complicated and beautifully unguided processes. [/quote]

You are saying that the nose came about by unguided processes?

 

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Okay, everyone, don't stray away from our nose in our face.

 

You say the nose is the result of unguided processes.

 

And you bring in evolution as the foundation of the unguided processes that results in the nose in our face.

 

Now suppose you give all the writings of all the scientists on evolution to engineers and technicians and builders of all kinds, and tell them to read all that literature, then proceed to follow what they learn from all that literature on evolution in order to bring about a nose among living things without any nose.

 

Will they succeed?

 

You can assure them that it all takes millions of years.

 

What will they think of you?

 

 

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