I am a Christian theist, and I am inviting atheists to talk with me about the nose in our face.

I read this text in your website:

[quote] Think Atheist is your safe place to come out and learn how to have a dialog with friends, family, and strangers about your belief that the world was not created but is in its current state because of complicated and beautifully unguided processes. [/quote]

You are saying that the nose came about by unguided processes?


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An excellent point. He was also eliminated by natural selection as the behavioral anomaly to hold one's urine until their bladder burst was not a beneficial one.
On a slightly more serious note, firstly welcome to the site!

Secondly, evolution does not claim that there is or isn't a god. It simply describes a process, supported by evidence and observation, by which biodiversity could occur that made no assertion for or against the existence of the supernatural, and did not require it.

To argue for ID, you must first argue for the designer(s). If this assertion cannot be backed up with evidence, as the burden of proof would fall on the shoulders of the person making the positive claim, then it can not be built upon to support an ID claim.

As doone pointed out, the nose exists in many many forms of nose or olfactory sensors that aren't a nose. So in that light, which nose are we talking about, and why that nose in particular instead of another?
Pachomius. Is this who you think you are, or some more arcane reference?
What you Christians fail to understand (and what I didn't understand while I was Christian) is that these problems have already been worked out by scientists. Of course, you can rely on ID and creationist arguments if you like, but if you really want to talk with us about things like the nose on our face, you should probably investigate what biologists have already written about it. There are full, satisfying explanations for things like the nose and the eyes. These questions do not stump or mystify us. We understand the process that is, yes, unguided, and have taken the time to research the mechanism of evolution.
My nose smells a troll!
I can only repeat what others have said. Natural selection is a guided process so no we are not saying that. We are also not saying that is was a concious process. Evolution neither confirms nor denies god, he doesn't even come in to it I'm afraid.
Same here!
Coincidentally, since I am suffering from a sinus infection right now, I was recently thinking about how un-intelligently designed the nose (and sinuses) is. I mean, how stupid is it that every time we get sick or suffer from allergies we have all this snot dripping down past our breathing tube making us choke and cough. And how messed up is it that snot should come out of our faces anyway? Gross and unattractive. Why not make it come out of our butts like most of the rest of our nasty bodily waste? Wouldn't it make more sense to store the snot in a bladder type organ until it is more convenient to dispose of? And what's with all the snot anyway? If the world were intelligently designed with humans in mind than why do we need to suffer from allergies and bacterial infections anyway? It's not like it is human sin that is causing that type of suffering. It is natural (i.e. God created according to theists). What kind of dick creates bacterial infections and pollen that make people sick and snot out their faces?
Of course there are perfectly reasonable evolutionary reasons for all this. Fat and salt used to be relatively rare and/or hard to come by for our ancestors so they really craved those types of foods. Nowadays fat and salt are abundant so our evolved fat and salt loving genes are a burden to us now (i.e. obesity epidemic).

There is also a hypothesis that goes something like this (if I remember correctly): once larger amounts of fat were introduced into the human diet (mostly through scavenging for meat at first) women were able to maintain more frequent estrus cycles. Rather than going into heat once a season, they started to be in heat pretty much most of the time. Unlike most other primates, human women are pretty much willing and able breed year round. Lots of babies. Fast forward. Humans overpopulate the world.

We were designed to crave high-calorie food because when we were "cavemen" we needed that type of food to survive when food was scarce.  Part of our biology that now doesn't serve us so well!


And I was about to look up exactly that information if I didn't see it by the end of the comments.
You win Adriana! Unfortunately it's not cash or anything... you just kinda win... :)

This addresses exactly the implication being made by our theist trol...err...friend.


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