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Permalink Reply by Ed on February 12, 2011 at 1:45am

I have never been able to worship/follow a god who allows or permits a child to run into a street and be struck down by a vehicle.

 

Oh yeah- the ways of the Lord are mysterious and should not be questioned. Heard that one before?

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Eoganacht on February 12, 2011 at 3:53am

Or allow a child to die AIDs, etc.

I hate it when theists fall back on the 'god is mysterious' line as if it solves anything.

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Permalink Reply by Albert Bakker on February 12, 2011 at 4:25am

In Romans 1:20 says Paul (and there is near complete scholarly consensus Paul is indeed the author) that atheists have no excuse for denying the existence of God because we can see undeniably the evidence of the existence of God in the world as is.

(1:20) "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (1:21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."

 

This is not a KO question, but how would the gentle theist, when ignoring my vainglorious ingratitude and stubborn refusal to accept the clear evidence lain out in front of my eyes, respond to his own inability to come up with anything resembling a plausible, much less a convincing case from inductive reasoning for the existence of a God, when all we actually do see in this vein is a bunch of transparently fallacious rhetoric.

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Permalink Reply by Eoganacht on February 12, 2011 at 4:37am

In Romans 1:20 says Paul (and there is near complete scholarly consensus Paul is indeed the author) that atheists have no excuse for denying the existence of God because we can see undeniably the evidence of the existence of God in the world as is.
(1:20) "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (1:21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."
 
This is not a KO question, but how would the gentle theist, when ignoring my vainglorious ingratitude and stubborn refusal to accept the clear evidence lain out in front of my eyes, respond to his own inability to come up with anything resembling a plausible, much less a convincing case from inductive reasoning for the existence of a God. All we actually do see in this vain is a bunch of transparently fallacious rhetoric.

 

I'm not very good on the scripture side of things. Thanks

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Permalink Reply by Albert Bakker on February 12, 2011 at 6:02am

Ah, I see something gone wrong again. I was trying to replace "vain" with "vein" but instead replaced the entire text with a single " ".Thank you ever so politely for saving it.

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Permalink Reply by Eoganacht on February 13, 2011 at 5:25am

All good. I actually thought that I had done something wrong as I was replying when it went blank. I got the text from the automatic email notification service that TA uses.

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Permalink Reply by Sam Manning on March 24, 2011 at 6:50pm

What do I say to Catholics that approve of evolution? Like they think it was part of gods greater glory? Thanks could use some help

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Permalink Reply by Jewelz on March 24, 2011 at 7:58pm

Actually, much of the Catholic church now accepts evolution. They reconcile this "theistic evolution" with original sin in several interesting ways. Most seem to think that at some point after billions of years of waiting patiently, the first biological human male and female appeared and God injected them with a set of souls...

 

...or something.

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